Geeze I dont know whats up with the OT, looks like the members have lost interest, maybe we should abolish it. Anyways I know what you mean about manners & it doesn't matter what age group it is. I mostly like to be polite to the elderly, like if I see one waiting to cross the street or waiting to pull out into traffic I always stop & let them proceed. Maybe one out of 10 will acknowledge that you made an effort to be polite with a nice wave or smile. Things are just not like they used to be. BJ