Hi Rob, Have'nt seen you in the forums for awhile, how ya doin, thanks for the e-mail response but I kinda cringed when I read it, I guess you have'nt seen all the negative posts on IE5. I have been avoiding it because of that, that's why I was inquiring about the new service pak 2 for IE4.I figure if it aint broke, dont fix it. Take care, BJ