I dont even want to know what a herial grimmace is......Howdy Queen O Hearts....I seen some pictures of your sweet machine...over on a case mods site....very nice litte window......by the way I read the specs of the machine very nice and a fine job you did on your first one....have you done any upgrading to I believe it was your sisters machine....angel of mercy or something like that...Give us an update since we are somewhat celebrating your success and anticipating Goose's success as well......Here is my nightly update....the Celeron machine is running very nice after I flashed the bios with the latest version...still no go on the ultra66 card but I called promise and they said it was an oem card and only designed to work in 1 certain machine....glad the vendor I bought if from told me that... <gotta love the smiley that is named after me> any way I only paid 15.00 for the card with shipping so the world is not going to end but I could have used that money to buy a better hsf for the Celeron machine....I would not trade the farm or the cows for the vantec hsf that I have on the Athlon and as for that machine it is the nicest machine that I have built to date....I love it...still havent convinced the wife to let me cut any holes in that antec case for a blowhole or a windows...and dont think she will ever give in since she paid for the case... I have to get some games on the celeron machine so I can play.....where did I put that MYST cd......and if you say one more word about those cows in boardman.....