Operation Delta 3 - 006

[greengoose1]

Was downloading when the thread ran into problems and Train called me. Sorry for the delay in getting this one started. I had asked jaak and DrMDJ a couple of questions on the previous thread.

We are building the third in a series of resonably priced but powerful personal computers. We do this to help anyone that wants to build how to do it instructions and answers to questions by the Delta Crew in real time. Right now we are waiting for the rest of the components to come in so that we may start on BT. Hang around and get aquainted with the Delta bunch. A more wonderful bunch of computer jockeys you won't find anywhere else.

Remember, if you participate, you become part of the Delta Crew with all the usual perks, benefits, and rights according to Bistro's Edict from on High. This came into being from his trip to Nepal and the ascent of the "mountain". Only he knows what happened.

I had saved the last thread when I got home tonight but will see if there's anymore to it. Later. Need sleep now.

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[bistro]

"And Bistro, approaching the Master with much trepidation, mumbled "Uh...Master?". The Master replied "Yes, Bistro, my dubious student? What do you have on? Your mind? Speak quickly, for I have not had my morning coffee as yet and cannot endure thy babblings without it". "Master", Bistro asked,"When I leave this Mountain of Computer Whiz-dom and go into the Valley of Need to apprentice with the Great Virtual Doctor there, what shall I say to all the less informed that cometh my way?". The Master rolled his eyes upward and mumbled the letter "Y" several times over, then spake: "When thou goest there, abiding mainly in the Delta Region, tell all who live there or travel through that land that they can all enjoy the perks, benefits and rights of the land, without cost or obligation. Let them know that they are welcome to abide there and asketh what they will. Tell them that they may freely drink of the knowledge from all who also abide there (even though I moan to number you amongst those knowledgable ones). Encourage all, great or small, to share what knowledge they may have so that all may benefit. Now...hasteneth thyself out of my sight and maketh thyself useful elsewhere until I calleth for thee specifically...and be not surprised if that calling cometh not soon."


--The Edict, from The Annals of Doofus on the Mountain

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[Sarrkazztic]

Bistro.....if I go the sound blaster route I may have to tap your infinite wisdom on disabling that emulator problem.....1 other thing I am testing the ability to setup a dual boot with windows 2000 installed first...I ghosted my existing 2k setup to my new 40 gig drive...setup in 2 equal partitions. and am doing the test with my old 10 gig and 20 gig drives....If all goes well I will install the 20 gig back into the new machine along with the 40 and have the dual boot running so that I can utilize 98se game playing that 2k does not do as well at least for certain games....will update tomorrow on the progress thank goodness for a laptop that I can connect to my lan for cable modem access to be able to post here when working on the main machine.

[bistro]

Easy. Unless you have some old DOS-based games you just can't part with, you don't need the emulator. Device Manager>Creative Misc devices> SB 16 emulator. Select to "disable in this hardware profile"--do not remove it. That should automatically remove settings in the autoexec and config.sys files for that emulator, but sometimes it doesn't. Might want to check them before rebooting and remove any lines that refer to the emulator. Sent mine to the Canyon of Needless Drivers a long time ago and haven't missed it at all.

[DrMDJ]

GG1,

Follow up to Bistro's post: you may well have to manually comment out a couple lines in autoexec (for the SB16 emulation). No big deal though.

As for the MS patch... Patch in regard to what? Drives over 32 gig?

So am I to understand correctly that you tried hooking your drive (40 gig) up to your Maxtor Ultra 100 card and it didn't work? Could ya update me on what exactly happened/happens?

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[DrMDJ]

Ouch!

An interesting read here. I had seen tests in the past relating to Athlons and the speed at which they fry when there are problems with the heatsink/fan. ASUS and others had run them. They indicated that ya at least had a few seconds before any real damage would be done. Seems not to be the case though. And it was my understanding that the new Palomino cores had built-in overheat protection (unlike their predecessors). Seems also not be the case, or what one would expect. Looks like Intel has a leg up on AMD in at least one reguard.

Goose, when you get BT built would you please remove your heatsink to confirm the above results?



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[greengoose1]

Good Morning All, Just looking in for a sec.

DrMDJ, will post tonightthe procedure and results for you. The A/ MS patch was in regards to going over 32GB.

With the PCI card in and the adaptor cable hooked up to the HD I get the mesage that there is no operating system installed. Yet reverting to original configuration works just as it should.

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[jtdoom]

GG1, that single megabyte difference I mentioned bothers me.

I will look at something.
you see, I noticed it again today.
maxblast reported just ONE megabyte difference in these two drives.

However, the drives weren't true identical twins ( they's sold as same size/speed, but have differing model sub number =
maxtor 5T040h4
| 5T040H4 | 16,383 | 16 | 63 | 40.0 GB |

and 54098H8
| 54098H8 | 16,383 | 16 | 0 | 63 | 40,980 MB | 80,041,248 |

**this info is pasted from the txt files found at maxtor.com, with info on these drives**

Damn, the third maxtor 40 giga is at the shop, in that other epox... I believe its a 54098H8 as well.
a fourth 40 is an IBM.

can perhaps look at the two 30 gb drives... if same...

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I know I once saw drive size mismatch on true identicals, EDIT>> I even saw different fdisk numbers reported on same drive...WHEN different partitioning tools/versions were used.... Thus, what I saw was either caused by having used different versions of fdisk, or maybe fdisk sees them different than maxblast, or it is a combination of fdisk/maxblast/on different BIOS & controller.

but, again, they did show just one megabyte difference. (and it did not use overlay)
(well, I think I even wrote about what I saw a few months ago.)

sorry for the edits.


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[greengoose1]

Norton System Works 2001 Professional for Win 95/98 can be purchashed for $11.00 plus shipping at www.directdeals.com. When the page opens up go to the right hand top ten column, item 3. The book or instructions can be downloaded at the bottom of the page. Found this as a result of researching Ghost that JTDoom had been helping me with.

With Ghost you can back up your hard drive and in 15 min. have it reinstalled on a new one if you lose a hard drive whereas I am still reinstalling "stuff" from my hard drive failure.

I want our Delta Threads backed up and backed up as well as other "stuffies".

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[Train]

DrMDJ
I expected at least a couple seconds, but instantly. That is sad news indeed.

Thanks goose

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[bistro]

OK, guys and gals...not to change the subject, but it's come to my attention that there's some unscrupulous people out there sending out "patriotic' emails with attachments that are infected. Already got three of them myself--Norton caught all three. Neighbor got two just yesterday. Checked with some folks "in the know" and they concurred that there are a slew of these going around. Recommend NOT opening any attachments without scanning first. (Personal preference is to delete all email attachments from folks I don't know and scan all those from people I do know). One of the emails was listed as from a person's name (sounds innocent). Watch out.

[DrMDJ]

GG1,

The MS patch I referred to is here. Though it talks only about scandisk, it actually replaces the Windows protected mode ide driver (applicable across the board), ESDI_506.PDR, and a subsequent DLL. As such it should be applied by all with drives larger than 32 gig.


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[DrMDJ]

Jaak,

Ya lost me. I'm not sure I follow what you're saying or asking. But i'll take a crack at it.

Drive models, even stated as a given size, can vary somewhat in their precise size. As for the cyls/heads/tracks numbers you showed... You will note that the numbers equate to 8 gig (16383 * 16 * 63 * 512). That is a common set of settings used for large (ie. greater than 8 gig) drives. Western Digital, for instance, gives those numbers for use for all their 8+ gig drives. Not to worry though. It does not mean the true size of the drive is not being seen. Those numbers mearly passify the bios.

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[Sarrkazztic]

I can't stand having a system that works just fine so here I go again trying to make what works fine work better or destroy it in the works.....I decided that I want to add an atapi zip drive...I already have 2 hard drives a cdr and a dvd drive....My mobo has ata100 built into the ide channels so I bought an ata66 promise controller card...It will be here Friday. I am going to hook the zip to it and possibly a 3rd hard drive that is only ata66 (The other 2 are ata100 and are attached to the mobo on the ata110 controller). What can I expect when I plug the card into the pci slot and attach my drives to it and boot up the machine...I am dual booting 98se and win2k.

[jtdoom]

sarcasticc

look at the via drivers page
new version got posted, and in there, you find a tool for zipdrives, and a method is described to set them to PIO3.
http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=2

somewhat down the page>>

Do you use an IDE Zip drive?

If you do not, please go onto the next question. If you do use an IDE zip drive, download and install the latest 4in1 drivers if you have not already done so. Then download and install the IDE-Busmaster V3.12 - http or ftp. Then set the Zip-Drive to DMA disabled and PIO-Mode 1 in BIOS. Open the the IDE-Tool provided with Busmaster-Driver and set the Zip-Drive to PIO-Mode 3. Restart your computer and the process is finished. For Iomega Zip drives, a new driver has just been released. Please make sure you update your driver to the latest one.




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