Slow File Transfer (copy/paste)

[LotusAstra]

thx m8...that link told me just what i needed 2 know about CS and a few other things, most appreciated

...anyway back to the problem in question, i dont think that swapping my Drives around will solve this any more...i think i will still have 2 drives not working only in PIO mode....

is there any thing else i need to check....remember i've just installed this OS and have never used Win2k b4, so it could be almost obvious....i have no clue...

...i guess from my lack of fix that this ain't a common problem with Win2k, could it be any hardware issues...where do i start...... i need advice what would u do/check in this situation?

Thx all

[Jeff_LouKY]

I have a question for the group: Aren't Cable Select cables different from normal IDE cables? Don't they require the drives to be jumpered as CS and the drives installed as Master and Slave according to the cable markings? I may be wrong on this since I haven't used such cables before, but I believe I've read this several times in different places, and if it is true, this could be contributing to Lotus' problem if the drives are not hooked up properly. TIA

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Jeff Wise
Louisville, KY

[Qwemliis]

To get the best out of UDMA I suggest that HDs are on ONE cable and CD-ROMs/CD-RWs on ONE cable.
You need TWO cables. One for your CDs (SCSI units) and another cable for your HDs (IDE units).

Don't have any cable select settings. I think it's better without it. Set the HD tp Primary master on one of the cables and then set the CD-ROM to slave on the other cable.

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[Jeff_LouKY]

Thank you, Karl, for the post explaining Cable Select (I overlooked it prior to posting my question concerning the subject).

Lotus, according to one of your earlier posts, you have two IDE hard drives, two IDE CDs (RW and DVD), and NO SCSI devices, is that correct? In order for your system to function properly, you are going to have to look at the cables going to the HDs and the CDs to determine if they are or are not Cable Select cables, and then jumper your drives accordingly.

If they ARE cable select cables, you need to make sure the drives are on the correct connectors (masters and slaves) and that the jumpers on the drives are all set to "CS".

If they are NOT cable select cables, you need to make sure you have only one drive jumpered as master and one for slave on each cable.

This may or may not affect the problem(s) you were having with PIO vs. DMA, but in order for your drives to work properly, you must jumper them in accordance with the type of cables you have or you must get different cables. Either way, you need to look at your system and determine what type of setup you have and then work with it.

BTW, swapping drives will not hurt your data, so if you are thinking of swapping them but are worried, don't be. Two people already have suggested you will get better performance out of your system if you will put one hard disk as master and one CD as slave on each cable. I am suggesting you try that as it won't hurt your data and you can change it back if it doesn't help. But you definitely need to check the cables and the jumpers to make sure they are set up as described above.

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Jeff Wise
Louisville, KY

[This message has been edited by Jeff_LouKY (edited 08-24-2001).]

[LotusAstra]

Qwemliis, i have no SCSI drives....but my setup is as u mentioned tho but just on IDE's

Jeff_LouKY yes u are correct i have two IDE hard drives, two IDE CDs (RW and DVD), and NO SCSI devices at all.....

all my IDE cables in my pc have MASTER/SLAVE on ends of 'em (so i guess they both CS cables, 1 deffinatly is)....i have left my CD-RW+DVD on the secondary exeactly as it came from HP with both set to CS mode.....

i added the second 45gigHDD as a slave about 6 months to the existing 30gigHDD and jumpered them accordingly....

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just 1 thing that confused me Quote Jeff:

If they ARE cable select cables, you need to make sure the drives are on the correct connectors (masters and slaves) and that the jumpers on the drives are all set to "CS".

If they are NOT cable select cables, you need to make sure you have only one drive jumpered as master and one for slave on each cable.
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from what i understood from the link from kallikru it said that CS cable are Backwards Compatable, heres the quote for your info:
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There's actually no need to have different cable types, because if you set a drive to "master" or "slave" explicitly, it just ignores the CSEL setting. So a cable select cable can be used either way: regular jumpering or cable select.

As I mentioned before, you can still explicitly set drives to master or slave if you want to, and the CSEL signal will be ignored by the drives. So the bottom line is that these cables work either way, cable select or not.
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so this is good news, as i would have to set them manually when i do the swap to make the cables reach, so i dont need new cables .

thx to everybody for the info, i wont be doing the swap for a while as at the moment i'm happy with the current performance when using Win98, its just Win2000 thas giving me grief, and i dont think that swapping HDD's will cure my 2000 problems, but yeah i'm sure i'll have another go at swapping drives eventually, as i now have all the info i need to be sure of what i'm gunna do will work

anyway back to the original PIO mode only problem, i looks like i'm stuck with it until WinXP arrives, unless someone can prove me wrong, but after all this time my hopes are low, seems a format/Delete of Win2000 is getting closer, as with-out DMA i haven't got a use for it b'cuz i'd have to boot to Win98 for a demanding task, which kinda defeates the object a bit

Most appreciated for all your help/advice so far, this forum is great but i get problems that suck. lol

[Qwemliis]

You missunderstood!
ALL CD_ROMs/CD-RW are SCSI drives if we look at with the eye of the Windows 2000 Operating system! In the computer shop they are IDE devices but in the OS they are SCSI devices. That's why I said it.

Now:
Please connect the HDs on ONE cable and the CD-ROMs on ONE cable.
It doesn't work right?
Pull out the CD-ROMs. Does it work?
If it doesn't pull out the Slave HD. if it doesn't work you can forget about UDMA.

The Master drive must support it or else it won't work...

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[LotusAstra]

ahhh rite sorry m8...thx for clarifiying...

QUOTE:
Please connect the HDs on ONE cable and the CD-ROMs on ONE cable.
It doesn't work right?

u r correct this is how mine is setup now and it dont work!

QUOTE:
The Master drive must support it or else it won't work...

on my PC both my masters r set to PIO and slaves to UDMA, don't make sence after what u just said, unless my drives support it (which they do) but Win2000 just wont activate it on the Master.....my PC is weird...

i shall try your suggestion/experiments first b4 i move them....but just 1 thing, all my drives support DMA under Win98, so does this mean that Win2000 DEFINATLY should use DMA for these Drives or does Win2000 need different requirements from a HDD etc?

thx

[This message has been edited by LotusAstra (edited 08-24-2001).]

[Qwemliis]

Windows 2000 supports it!

BUT NOT YOUR CONTROLLER CARD DRIVERS!

We must find out which controller card driver that doesn't. ok?

That's why I want you to see if the master makes it on itself, and then the next HD, and then the next! This way we can exclde and then find out which controller card driver that is incompatible.
Then we'll upgrade it

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[LotusAstra]

Hi, been busy with sum non PC stuff for a while and pretty much got fed up with the Win2k Problems on my Athlon so decided to install it on my other PC (Celeron300) with (U)DMA all round (was a relief) all OK on that 1, i actually like Win2k on that 1 other than 1 minor prob which i'll start another post on l8er....

Qwemliis: u mention CONTROLLER CARD DRIVER updates....can i just try some different (researched) drivers without doing the HDD jumper/swapping stuff....???

i may have time soon to experment with jumpers but, as XP is so close, it seems such a waste of time b'cuz i have a small Hewlett Packard case which is a pain in the a** to remove HDD's to change jumpers etc......

Win2k is obviously still installed on the PC with DMA Probs at the moment, but i may delete it in the next few weeks as i have no use for it with its bugs, so unless i/we can come up with a masterplan that don't involve opening up the PC case then i guess its gotta go.

i look foward to some ideas to try, my win98/2k drives r backedup so i am willing to experiment with software & drivers......any ideas????

Regards

[LotusAstra]

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