I'm having a problem downloading Windows Updates to put on a disk - HELP

[Nanceel0]

Hi,
I read at this thread http://discussions.virtualdr.com/For...ML/057588.html
you can d/l and put the updates to a disk. So I went to the corporate site and tried to download two updates. Each time I attempted to download, I got a flash! No download. I tried again and got the first one. Then I tried the IDE Controller update; flash again. I tried a second time and it proceeded to download. Halfway through, I got a message about the server connection and it said it couldn't continue to download. At this point I gave up.
Am I doing something wrong?
Also, if hopefully I'm able to get these downloads, how do I copy the information about them and save that to a disk along with it? (if it's not too complicated otherwise I'll just write it down)
Thanks very much.
Sincerely, Nancee

[Ridgerunr]

NanceelO, Be very careful of the one called IDE update.Although it's offered,it may NOT be for your hardware setup.MSN may have been trying to be helpful(?),but in this case they aren't. I've Dn/loaded all the updates and placed in a folder i created in Program Files.
i.e.

I then just burn the folder to CD using DirectCD. If you use another burn program,it shouldn't be a problem to burn them.

If you also want to install them after downloading,you can just doubleclick and install.The exe will still be there to burn.The burn is just a copy,they won't be removed.

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[MACH2]

nancee.. you seem to have a full plate.. don't confuse yourself with so many tasks. Just my advice. (to avoid burnout)

mach

[Ridgerunr]

Nancee,Do you have dial-up? If so,your Dn/load problems may be caused by your ISP.

If not,it could be M$N's problem.Either way,some of these are pretty big and with dialup,it can take mucho' time...

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[Nanceel0]

Thanks everyone for your replies!
Ridge - that folder is very impressive. Thank you. I made a little folder on my desktop and tried to download to it, and they wouldn't go there. So the one I got I copied and pasted elsewhere.
Would you mind going to the site I went to and double check that these are right for me: http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/d.../corporate.asp

From the link, it says Windows 98 - there's an awful lot at that update site!
I wrote down all of my updates and I need 7 updates and the IDE Controller.
I'm only interested in doing this because I heard M$ will stop supporting Windows 98 in June - so if I have to format and reinstall everything I won't be able to get the updates!
I'm not going to try again now because it's getting late (plus even though I was attempting to d/l them to disk I was getting nervous if they tried to install - I've got everything running and they're already installed!)
I am on a dial-up. I noticed there were problems at the M$ Knowledge Base today, so maybe they're having problems. All I know is, I don't like getting a flash instead of a download.
Mach - you're right. I'm not in any hurry to do this, but I'll feel better when I have those updates.
Thanks again.
Sincerely, Nancee

[MACH2]

if you're system is working fine why update? it's rediculous and most major posters here don't even have it on-line connected (including past heavy duty posters ignored the option) downloading to a disk is optional but I doubt workable as dated material passes.

hope it helps.. (r u expecting a major calamity that we can help with or is this just paranoia?)

mach

[Ridgerunr]

Mach, I don't quite understand your take on this? It's a fact that Microsoft will end support for Win9x and ME this June. Of course there's a zillion places you can get older apps. and third party add-ons.And probably will be 'til H*ll freezes over.

But what's wrong with a person wanting to get the actual updates offered now and burning them in case they have to do a wipe and re-install "after" Win Update for Win9x/ME is no longer available? If a person has to install basic Windows because they have no way to ghost their drive,it would be nice to have the updates to install immediately.Even if they "could" still Dn/load them,with dial-up,it takes forever...

Lets cut Nancee a' lil' slack,huh?

And,Nancee,as to your question on which ones you need.You can Dn/load them all,and when you click to install them,if you already have that specific update,a window will pop-up telling you it's already installed.You can then go on with the rest and just save the already installed exe's(and the others) for backup burning...

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[This message has been edited by Ridgerunr (edited 02-27-2002).]

[Wino]

IMHO, think Nanceelo is on to something here (wish I had thought of it). I have a virgin full version of 98SE that I plan to install when my OEM machines OS go south, so having all the updates is a really good idea.

I have no intentions of upgrading to XP (never say never), BG finally reached my limits of intrusive MS BS. It's too bad the Justice Dept. has it head where the sun don't shine - if they really cared about the masses, part of their MS punishment would be to make them support every OS they ever produced (at least 3.1 and up).

Just my opinion.

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in vino veritas

[MACH2]

Ridge' point I'm trying to make is that there have been plenty of folks downloading updates over ms interpretations of any particular system. Some of late have found that the cdrom no longer works or sound is gone or hd's are missing, to name a few. Just because ms updater says you need an update? I'd ask questions before downloading same.

as for having too much on one's plate.. making constant changes without analyzing the results then making more changes is potentially digging a hole you can't get out of. Considering the time/$ you are worth to restore all of that? cloning your basic system to another hd would seem much less painless.

mach

(p.s. I'll be the first to admit I can break my system in a few fallow swoops! but in it's best configuration? I wouldn't update just because I'm prompted to nor do I have auto-updater active. e.g. if it ain't broke don't fix it as so many quote?)

[Nanceel0]

Hi Ridge,
Here's what's going on. When I used the real IE to download the IDE thingy I got the same message again "The connection with the server was reset" and the d/l couldn't continue. I have no idea what that means. So I used my AOL browser and got the download.
Anyway, I downloaded 10 files into a folder on my desktop.
One update shows "installed" at Windows Updates, but when I look at installation history it shows it failed twice (no success). That's the April 2, 2001 update (that always need to be reinstalled if you repair IE, etc.). So I decided to try to install it, since you said it would tell me if it is already installed. I restarted pc, shut down all programs and double clicked on that file. I got what I would call a flash and saw a small box on the left side of my screen and nothing else. I got no dialog or anything else, and have no idea if anything was done. I restarted my pc and went online and looked up MS01-017 and found the number q293818. So I looked at start>run>qfecheck and it wasn't listed! BTW, this file is only 124 kb.
Then I checked windows updates again and it doesn't show installed either.
Shouldn't I get a dialog box when I double click on one of these updates?
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I have another question. When I reformatted my pc in December I noticed that one of my critical updates was Virtual Machine. I didn't find that anywhere and I think it's probably a BIG file. Do you know if that be available when M$ stops supporting Windows 98? There was another file I couldn't find also (root certificates update), but I guess it's not very important if it wasn't listed.
BTW the folder I made is 3MB!! I haven't burned it to disk yet.
Thanks for any thoughts you might have about these things.
Sincerely, Nancee

[Nanceel0]

I found the Virtual Machine Update - it's 5.4 MB. If you think that it won't be supported I'll download it. I don't know if it's considered specific for Windows 98, etc.
I wasn't looking for it; I was reading a security bulletin from EZTrust and they provided a link to MS re security...and there it was!!
Sincerely, Nancee
You're thoughts are appreciated.

[Ridgerunr]

Unless your hard-up for drive space,just hang-on to what you want.The April 2nd 2001 thing isn't needed. It's a "verisign" thing mostly for corporate problems.Or companies requiring it for verification of access.I went round n' round with M$ for 2 weeks by email,cause it wouldn't "stick" in my system.Everytime i ran the "fix I.E.",it would disappear the next time i checked the update page.Then, i found out i didn't really need it.When I.E.6 came out,it was fixed by installing I.E.6.'Course M$ didn't admit it was poorly written the first time.So,,don't worry 'bout "that" one.

I'm thinkin' the "flash" your receiving is because it's something that's already installed,but it isn't written to give you a proper notice that you can "ok"...

Don't quote me on this one,cause i'm not sure.But i think you get Microsoft Virtual Machine when you install the "Customer Service Pack".

My suggestion is to Dn/load all you can/want,then burn them.Use a reliable backup program such as ghost or Roxio's Take2 when your system is running with no problems.Burn the backup,check the update page regularly 'tween now and when/if they dump it to get anything new and you should be covered for as long as you want to stick with Win9x...

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[Nanceel0]

Hi Ridge,
I didn't know the April 2, 200l update was covered in IE6. Thanks for letting me know.
I ended up downloading the Virtual Machine update yesterday (I think that was part of a critical Update for Windows, so I figured I should have that too.) Then I burned the folder to a disk and I copied and pasted information on each one and printed it.
Now, as far as go back and Roxio are concerned, I don't know anything about them, except I've read that when people want to turn off go back they have a lot of problems. I have Windows 98se and I have a backup utility, but I think I read in the HP forums that adaptec doesn't work with that. (It may have been that Roxio had to be installed. Does Roxio make Adaptec?) Also, how important is all this, because I wouldn't know what I'm doing. I do have my Recovery CD in case of a problem and I have a lot of my programs on a disk (I don't have that many actually )
Thanks for all your help. I appreciate it.
Sincerely, Nancee