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  1. #1
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    this may be too much for some, but others might find it interesting..... taken from security focus...

    I found what I believe may be a built-in DoS of sorts in Gnutella. For
    those of you who are not familiar with Guntella, it is a peer-to-peer file
    sharing system that popped-up a while back as one of the may alternatives to
    Napster. Gnutella is more of a protocol specification than an application
    so it has many different clients such as Gnotella, LimeWire, and BearShare
    among others. Once on the network, the Gnutella client connects to other
    hosts running Gnutella and starts exchanging lists of "up" hosts and search
    queries. This (at least on my machine) creates about 5-45k worth of
    background noise while the client is running. Additional bandwidth gets
    consumed when the user downloads files from someone else or vice versa.
    One of the many features of Gnutella is that it is firewall-aware and
    will allow the user to force the client to advertise a different IP address
    than is actually on his or her the machine to allow for any NAT that may be
    going on. The client will also allow the user to change the port that
    incoming clients will connect to as well.
    The problem is that the software has no way of verifying what values the
    user has set, which of course can lead to mischief. I can set the
    advertised IP address and port to arbitrary numbers and the result will be
    that the target machine will be bombarded with hundreds inbound tcp
    connections from Guntella clients looking for information. Do this with
    enough clients and you have a re-incarnation of the old Smurf attack. As of
    this writing, I have verified this with the Gnotella and LimeWire clients.
    I will be testing other clients as well but I am confident they will work
    the same way.

    reply:
    What you're saying is correct... it's something in the Gnutella protocol
    itself and, even if none of the clients out there let you specify an
    arbitrary IP address to advertise, you'd still have those out there that
    could write something to get into a Gnutella network and start falsely
    advertising itself. It wouldn't be that hard at all for someone who is
    familiar with the protocol.

    Any DoS that could result from this is kind of limited, though, since
    every Gnutella client is not going to connect to every other client's IP
    that it knows of... they usually keep a cache of client IPs that are out
    there and connect *up to* a certain, usually user-specified, number of
    other clients at a time. At least that's how it's worked in every
    Gnutella client that I've seen. With every client doing routing in the
    network, there's simply no need for everyone to connect to everyone else,
    so no one does that.
    http://www.aciri.org/vern/papers/reflectors.CCR.01/


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    What's an IP? Have anything to do with ego, super ego, or ID? Kidd'n. Deep.
    "Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument is an exchange of ignorance"
    If you disagree to agree, is it better for knowledge or just ignorance?
    Maybe just a plain old impasse.
    Always insightful, Sting. Thanks.

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    All I know is, if I'm unfortunate enough to get assigned the wrong IP on my dial-up, I'll get gnutella port probes that are the envy of anything Code-Red has dished out.

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