i found it and dl'd it. ran the scan of c: and then rescanned windows folder...no trojans found. so could it be--the 2 pt snoops-- is from an aborted DL of hsptel modem driver from windows update site. it told me it was available,tried twice but got a tan error box. this was actually on the win 98 puter.... discussion with triple 7...decided to leave well enough alone since modem is working well. then one more? the directions for removing ptsnoop will work on win98se as well? ps this trojan program is very nice-classy!