windows for workgroups 3.11

**steppenwolf** · April 20th, 2002, 10:00 AM

thats 3.11 an upgrade from 3.1? i saw it cheap somewhere and i wonder if i should buy it. ? whay does it do that 3.1 doesnt?. i suppose i could use it with an upgrade disc for windows at least . i suppose theres no drivers with it for modems etc?

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**AlaricD** · April 20th, 2002, 12:15 PM

If it's a Windows for Workgroups upgrade, and not just a 3.1 to 3.11 upgrade, you might want to go for it.

Windows for Workgroups adds 32-bit disk and file access, which improves performance greatly by keeping the CPU in protected mode for disk I/O rather than dropping to real mode. It's much like the Win95 method of 32-bit disk and file access. (Prior versions of Windows 3.1 access the hard drive in a manner similar to Win95's "MS-DOS Compatibility Mode".) WfW also includes integrated networking, Microsoft Mail, Microsoft Schedule+, Microsoft At Work PC Fax, and Microsoft's Remote Access Services, and other enhancements.

Windows 3.11 (non-WfW version) is simply Windows 3.1 plus additional video and printer drivers and a few bug fixes. There is no new functionality or performance improvements, features, etc.

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**steppenwolf** · April 22nd, 2002, 09:20 AM

ok thanks . i suppose it has no modem drivers in it

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**AlaricD** · April 22nd, 2002, 10:51 AM

Probably no more than what were included with Windows 3.1. But if the modem is Hayes compatible then it should still basically work. If it's a Winmodem or a PCI modem then any 3.x drivers for it would be included with the modem or available on the modem maker's website. Keep in mind that Windows for Workgroups 3.11 was released in November 1993. Any drivers it includes will be for antiquated hardware. At that time, there weren't even 28.8 modems, let alone 33.6 or 56K.

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Am386DX-40 + Cx387DX-40
32MB, 128KB cache
(2) 540MB HD's
8x CD
2MB Video
SB16 PnP
DR-DOS 7.04
Win3.11 w/ Win32s
--
Just because it's unusual doesn't make it a virus!
Ping is NOT an acronym!

**davidgsmith** · April 22nd, 2002, 01:10 PM

Once when I was installing IE for 3.x on a machine, the install found my modem 14.4 ISA and installed the drivers, set up my account, etc. A basic Internet Connection Wizard but in a 3.x format.

I had installed 3.11 WFW on that machine.

AlericD,
I suggest you fill the the from: on your profile, so everyone can see that whatever part of the world you are from, they have at least one very good computer person.

I've been paying alot of attention to you lately, you sure know your stuff!
Thanks,
Dave

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**steppenwolf** · April 23rd, 2002, 10:02 AM

ok thanks

i suppose id have to use ie 3.02 to set up a modem?it came with extra stuff ie 4.01 didnt have maybe?thats strange.

alaric do you really use a 386? i have one too i feel i cant part with -- it seems to work good . i guess they didnt make fans for cpu?

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"teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime;feed him fishsticks- be sure to have tartar sauce"

**AlaricD** · April 23rd, 2002, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by davidgsmith:
AlericD,
I suggest you fill the the from: on your profile, so everyone can see that whatever part of the world you are from, they have at least one very good computer person.

I've been paying alot of attention to you lately, you sure know your stuff!
Thanks,
Dave

Thanks! I try to be helpful (although sometimes I'm a bit snide about it), and it's always nice when someone notices.

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Am386DX-40 + Cx387DX-40
32MB, 128KB cache
(2) 540MB HD's
8x CD
2MB Video
SB16 PnP
DR-DOS 7.04
Win3.11 w/ Win32s
--
Just because it's unusual doesn't make it a virus!
Ping is NOT an acronym!

**AlaricD** · April 23rd, 2002, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by steppenwolf:
alaric do you really use a 386? i have one too i feel i cant part with -- it seems to work good . i guess they didnt make fans for cpu?

I don't use it quite as much as I used to, for one thing, I play a lot of games so I use more "modern" systems for that. But I've kept the 386 since it was the first x86 CPU that allowed true multitasking, not just task-switching like the 286 and preceding CPU's. It's amazing how much you can do with one that some people might expect would require a Pentium or higher. Browse the web, get on IRC, send email, word process, play some games. You just have to be a bit more patient.

It is hard to part with that old thing-- it's slow by today's standards, but still useful.

And it sure keeps my DOS skills up!

Radio Shack has fans for 386/486 machines. They may be harder to find now but they are out there.

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Am386DX-40 + Cx387DX-40
32MB, 128KB cache
(2) 540MB HD's
8x CD
2MB Video
SB16 PnP
DR-DOS 7.04
Win3.11 w/ Win32s
--
Just because it's unusual doesn't make it a virus!
Ping is NOT an acronym!

**steppenwolf** · April 23rd, 2002, 01:50 PM

i think every 386 i had had no heat sink even and a few 486 only had heatsink and no fan , what do you think of a 386 with no heat sink? ive never seen one that small except once i think and it was 286 maybe

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"teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime;feed him fishsticks- be sure to have tartar sauce"

**AlaricD** · April 23rd, 2002, 02:55 PM

They never really got all that hot, running at 33 or 40MHz. That's not to say a fan/heatsink wouldn't be a bad idea, though.

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Am386DX-40 + Cx387DX-40
32MB, 128KB cache
(2) 540MB HD's
8x CD
2MB Video
SB16 PnP
DR-DOS 7.04
Win3.11 w/ Win32s
--
Just because it's unusual doesn't make it a virus!
Ping is NOT an acronym!

**steppenwolf** · May 3rd, 2002, 02:38 AM

it was windows for workgroups 3.1 not 3.11 and i bought it for four dollars , i wonder if this is ok to use to upgrade to windows nt 4.0 or do i need something else?

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"teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime;feed him fishsticks- be sure to have tartar sauce"

**AlaricD** · May 3rd, 2002, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by steppenwolf:
it was windows for workgroups 3.1 not 3.11 and i bought it for four dollars , i wonder if this is ok to use to upgrade to windows nt 4.0 or do i need something else?

Going from Windows 3.1 to Windows for Workgroups 3.1 is a higher step up than going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 3.11 (non-Workgroups.). Four dollars-- not bad!

As far as what the NT4.0 upgrade disc is looking for, you may need WindowsNT 3.51 to fullfill the "qualifying product" requirement.

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Am386DX-40 + Cx387DX-40
32MB, 128KB cache
(2) 540MB HD's
8x CD
2MB Video
SB16 PnP
DR-DOS 7.04
Win3.11 w/ Win32s
--
Just because it's unusual doesn't make it a virus!
Ping is NOT an acronym!

**steppenwolf** · May 3rd, 2002, 10:50 PM

ok thanks

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"teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime;feed him fishsticks- be sure to have tartar sauce"

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