[RESOLVED] Computer delays re-start after shutdown

[Midknyte]

is there a maximum I should watch out for?

No. It just means you have more headroom to add devices.

[Train]

No. It just means you have more headroom to add devices.

As Midknyte states plus the PS is not working as hard.

[rythymace]

Ok thanks guys, that's good to know. Also I found that thermaltake PS on Amazon with free shipping for $41.28

[Train]

Good luck!

[westom]

Ok thanks guys, that's good to know. Also I found that thermaltake PS on Amazon with free shipping for $41.28

Power supply - 300 or 600 watts - work just as hard. Most computers hardly consume more than 200 watts. So we add more than sufficient margin with a 350 watt supply. Now a standard 350 watt supply is also marked by some third parties as a 500 watt supply. Are they lying? No. They are just measuring something different. So many who know nothing about electricity will hype 600 or 700 watt supplies on a classic myth: more watts mean a more robust supply.

Worse, some 600 watt supplies are even missing functions that were required 30 years ago. They need not provide it since the law says you are responsible for having some of those functions.

Now, did you know all computers have a power supply controller? How curious. Your symptoms discuss functions of a power controller. (Also ignore myths about discharging capacitors.) A problem that may be seen using one minute, a 3.5 digit multimeter, and an inquiry on how to identify the problem long before replacing, buying, or disconnecting anything.

[rythymace]

Thanks Westom, Train and the others who helped. I think I've resolved my problem.

I did not have enough money to order the Thermaltake and I didn't like the unit Best Buys had for $50 so I called a local computer repair shop I had done business with before (not the idiot who installed the 200w PS) and he had a unit for $29.00 so I went up and bought it this afternoon and have it installed and everything seems to be going great so far. '

For the first time in weeks my computer actually started when I hit the start button, instantly and without complaint or just sitting there staring at me.

Don't know how you guys will feel about the unit I bought but at least I have someone local to take it back to if it fails or if it every fries my MB.

What I got is a Logisys 480W Dual Fan 20+4 ATX Power Supply.

The store I bought it from has been in this area for years and years selling new, used and refurbished computers and doing repair work and have a reputation for being good so I hope I got a good PS.

Thanks again everyone for your time, now I have to see if I can remember how to mark a thread "Resolved".

[Train]

[quote]The store I bought it from has been in this area for years and years selling new, used and refurbished computers and doing repair work and have a reputation for being good so I hope I got a good PS.[/b]

Nothing wrong with that route, I have used it myself. Never have dealt with that brand, but I sure hope it holds out for you!

[rythymace]

[QUOTE=Train;1313618]

The store I bought it from has been in this area for years and years selling new, used and refurbished computers and doing repair work and have a reputation for being good so I hope I got a good PS.[/b]

Nothing wrong with that route, I have used it myself. Never have dealt with that brand, but I sure hope it holds out for you!

Thanks Train, so do I ! Would have liked to have the Thermaltake but the dollars just weren't there the $30 for this one was a bad enough hit to take this week but I didn't want to delay any more either getting that old one out of there.

computer actually seems to be running a step faster, don't know if it's just perception or reality but it seems so.

[Train]

Your Welcome. And the heck of it is, it just might be running faster since it now have all that it needs.

[westom]

I did not have enough money to order the Thermaltake and I didn't like the unit Best Buys had for $50 so I called a local computer repair shop I had done business with before ... and he had a unit for $29.00

To contain the many functions required in any supply (even 40 years ago) means its retail price starts at $60. To sell a supply at less price and sometimes higher profit, many manufacturers 'forget' to include these functions.

They can do this because so many assume, "it works - therefore everything is OK". For example, a required filter is missing as indicated by interference to AM radios. Or another function is missing so that the supply may damage other computer part long in the future.

What happens when the supply causes motherboard or disk failure. A majority then *know* any power supply can damage other computer parts rather than learn why human failure caused that damage.

Routine is for a defective supply to boot and run a computer. Then months later, strange intermittent failures occur.

Well, this is how we learn. Fixing something is never enough. Learning means also discovering why that failure happened. This is where your future experience might teach something. But only if you appreciate what was described here.

[rythymace]

To contain the many functions required in any supply (even 40 years ago) means its retail price starts at $60. To sell a supply at less price and sometimes higher profit, many manufacturers 'forget' to include these functions.

Man, no offense but that's just nonsense. There are so many more complicated electrical components you can buy for $60 or less I can't even name them all. VCR's for example not only have to have a power supply but digital readouts, complicated pullies and gears and a channel tuner and you can buy them all day long for $39-$49.

Also I just got through a four year stint with a 250w PS in my comp that probably cost $10 and there's nothing wrong with my computer as a result.

The Thermaltake PS recommended by Train can be had from Amazon for $34.00 and he and others here have long experience with them being good units so your assessment seems a little "alarmist" to me.

Well, this is how we learn. Fixing something is never enough. Learning means also discovering why that failure happened. This is where your future experience might teach something. But only if you appreciate what was described here.

I'd appreciate it much more if the person doing the describing sounded more credible.

[Train]

He just worded things , where I just pointed out the better brand.


Pick up 2 PS and if one feels like it weighs a fon, that is the one I would probably use.

[rythymace]

He just worded things , where I just pointed out the better brand.

Maybe, he just came across to me as more wanting to lecture than giving any helpful information.

Pick up 2 PS and if one feels like it weighs a fon, that is the one I would probably use.

That makes a heck of alot more sense than putting an arbitrary price of $60 that must be spent to get a good PS. Prices are just too volatile these days and some really good electronics can be had for really good prices if you know where to look.

And any company that buys electric parts in bulk can build the best PS in the world for around $15 per unit. The retail price depends on who you buy from and how much profit they want to make and how many middle men there are and a whole ton of other stuff. It just makes no sense at all to me to put an arbitrary price of any amount and say that's what you must spend to get a good unit. I may have been born at night but it wasn't LAST night. lol

[westom]

And any company that buys electric parts in bulk can build the best PS in the world for around $15 per unit.

That $60 was the retail price. Yes, supplies can be obtained in mass for lower prices - just like apples.

Appreciate the numerous complex functions inside every supply. It does more than just provide power. Many power supplies selling at retail for $25 or $35 are missing some essential functions.

Why can they do this? Why can they sell supplies that, for example, violate FCC requirements? Because they are not responsible for meeting those government regulations. Many do not understand this. You are responsible if that supply violates FCC, et al requirements. Many $29 supplies can be missing essential functions - such as a circuit so that the supply can never damage other computer components.

Did you know a powered supply can must have all outputs shorted together and never be damaged? Another required function. Intel even defined how big that shorting wire must be – and no damage.

Power supplies are complex devices. Amazing (due to generations of refining) are how so few components do so much. A power supply is a wonderfully complex device. Many never learn how complex, flexible, and robust a power supply must actually be.

Free market forces define a fully functional supply at $60 retail. Obviously, that does not mean a $100 supply has all required functions. But to sell a minimally functional supply for $29 means somebody in the manufacturing or distribution chain is taking a loss. Or, more likely, functions required in a rather complex unit (a power supply) are missing. A power supply missing essential functions can still boot a computer.

[rythymace]

The power supply I bought;

Complies with FCC part 15J class B 115Vac Operation and CISPR22 230Vac Operation
Meet UL 1950. CSA 22.2 Level 3 Requirement
Over Voltage protection
Over Power protection
Short Circuit Protection
100% Hi-pot & Function (Chroma)tested
100% &Burn-in under high Ambient Temperature(50¡ãC)
Low Noise and Ripple
Energy Star Efficiency
Window 7 compatible
link

I don't really get what your point here is other than trying to make me feel stupid for buying a supply you don't approve of and at that you're failing. This forum is for helping people with problems and so far all you've offered is a bunch of sermonizing and lecturing. The power supply was already bought and installed before you came into the equation so why didn't you toddle on off and torture someone else? I'm quite sure millions of people yearly buy supplies for less than $60. You must be losing a lot of sleep if this bothers you so.