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    Unhappy Creating VCDs

    Hi,
    I have some questions that I would like some help finding answers.

    My son uses Easy CD Creator 6 to create VCDs. He has no problem creating them or watching them. The problem is the video quality.

    Does the video card he has in his PC have anything to do with the output quality of the VCD? If it does, what is a good video card to use? If it doesn't how can he improve the quality of the video on the VCD?

    He captures from a Sony miniDV camcorder (TRV-11) directly to the external hard drive.

    His computer basics are : WINXP (home edition), 1.5M RAM, external 80GB WD hard drive for video capture only, internal 60GB WD hard drive, NiVidia Geforce 4 video card (32bit), Soundblaster Audigy, Plextor CDRW 40X, Sony CDROM 52X.

    Thank you, Marie

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    his capture program is probably only allowing mpeg 1 standard. (which is recommended for VCD movies) If he wants to get the best quality I would recommend using an Mpeg2 decoding program. such as TMPEGEnc. It may provide better quality but unless you are burning to a dvd, you will only fit about half the videos you normally would on a cd
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    Thank you for the info.

    What he is recording is only 1 hour of video...my grandson's Pop Warner football games...so not much there.

    I will tell him about the MPEG2, it shouldn't create any problem with what he can fit on the VCD.

    Marie

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    I will tell you this though... 1hr and 20 min of full quality mpeg2 video barely fits on a 4.7GIG DVD!!!!!! the more you compress it..(ie mpe1 is wayyyy more compressed then mpeg 2) the worse the quality gets
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    I am so confused.......

    I bought him a Plextor DVD burner, he tried it, but the quality was even worse than the CDRW and it took 6 hours to capture/encode and burn 1 hour video. So he pulled it out and said "no thanks".

    Now, with MPEG2 will the DVD take less time and give the picture quality he is looking for? Can he use his ECDC6 software with MPEG2 or does he need to get another software package?

    This is so confusing.......I have read just about everything I can get my hands on and still don't really understand.....is there something I can read to help me with this?

    Thank you for your patience.
    Marie

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    MOST DEFFINATLY, I'm glad you asked. I have a whole help file list created for anyone who chooses to use it.

    If, when he captures the video from his camcorder it is in avi format, It will need to be converted to Mpeg2. Since he will be creating a dvd (if he still has the drive) it's best to chose the split the file option that saves one file as M2V (video) and MP2 (audio). my help file describes it. if converted to that format it should only take about 30 min to an hour and a half (depending on processor speed) to convert the movie to the VOB files nessicary for dvd creation. once the vob files are created (in the VIDEO_TS folder) you can use and cd/dvd copying program to burn that entire folder to the dvd (stress "the folder is included with the files inside it")

    now be aware that the conversion in the begining will take a while ex. my pc is top o' the line 2700 amd with 1 gig of ddr ram and mine still takes about 2 hours to convert some very long movies **er home videos

    heres my help page

    http://slydoggie.net/help.htm

    email me for personal video conversion help
    TangZ@Slydoggie.net
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    TMPEGEnc
    http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html
    click on the download, then clik the file to dl it

    DVD-Lab
    (trial software)
    http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/64228.html
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    Thanks for all the info...and the websites.

    Spoke with my son...he says he is going to stay with the VCD format for now...he says the video quality is good enough for what he is doing.

    I appreciate all the help.

    Marie

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    i can fit ~~ 50-57 min of mpeg2 'svcd' on a cd

    your saying 1 1/2 hours on a dvd?

    cd - 700mb
    dvd - 4.7gb

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    yes...read up on it...

    mpeg 2 can be compressed up to the point of an mpeg 1

    thats why your svcds probably dont look as good as a dvd

    on a dvd the mpeg 2 is not at all as compressed as a cd quality mpeg2...if they are left almost completely uncompressed they have a better quality but a bigger file size..ie more file size less space.. which means a 1 1/2 hr movie will be alot bigger file size (its just an estamate)

    the way to compress an mpeg2 is to lower the bitrate before conversion.

    check out http://www.dvdrhelp.com if your interested in the logistics of how a conversion works
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    Originally posted by TangZ
    ...if they are left almost completely uncompressed they have a better quality but a bigger file size..ie more file size less space.. which means a 1 1/2 hr movie will be alot bigger file size (its just an estamate)
    ill take the blue pill ...

    what are you saying here?

    i know dvdrhelp (which coincedentially ive been reading since it was vcdhelp) does not support that statement ... more file size less space ...???

    also if you think mpeg2 is not compressed ... well id suggest reading up on this site:
    http://www.dvdrhelp.com

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    I never said it was NOT compressed...just not as much. (your bitrate determins your compression)
    on a svcd the bitrate is set to 2000 and cant go much higher (unles you have a smaller file that your trying to put on svcd) no, when makeing a dvd the bitrate can be anywhere from 2000 on up!! I dont remember the max bitrate but its pretty high!!

    the blue pill is yours neo!!

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    i can fit ~~ 50-57 min of mpeg2 'svcd' on a cd
    I don't think what you're recording is a "true" SVCD, though. A standard VCD will allow you to record approximately 1 hour of video on a standard CD-R, and SVCD will allow about half of that. This is based on the programs I use, TMpegEnc and Prassi Primo CD. You may be able to convert a longer video to an MPEG2 format, and save that file on a CD-R disc, but I doubt it will play in a standalone DVD player.

    For example, I could fit a three hour DivX movie onto a single 700MB CD-R disc if I wanted to (not saying I have), and have it be in very decent quality, but it wouldn't play in any DVD player.

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    Originally posted by spragers2
    but I doubt it will play in a standalone DVD player.

    For example, I could fit a three hour DivX movie onto a single 700MB CD-R disc if I wanted to (not saying I have), and have it be in very decent quality, but it wouldn't play in any DVD player.
    1-wont play on my 250 dollar sony ... but will play on my 40 dollar apex

    2-they have hardware divx players out there ... look for them at a theatre near you ... if your recording in divx you can (if you play with the passes/bitrate/audio quality) easily fit 2 of those movies on a single disk

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