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Operation Delta 15
Operation Delta 15 now begins with the continuing story of building at least two computers. The previous two sections have gotten really involved with various issues surrounding the installing of components, testing, etc. Anyone reading these threads can pick up a wealth of information. The various links referred to can drive a person into information overload. So jump aboard and come along to have some fun and maybe learn something. Comments, questions, or anything you would like to add is welcome. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Click here for Opperation Delta 14.
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Seek Knowledge First and All Else Will Follow
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Morning!
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/Good to see you greengoose. You feeling better?
Aaroncl,
Yes. Now I had to be sneaky but it can be done. It's KINGSTON. 128MB PC133 NON ECC DIMM CL3. I bought two.
It's 51.95 -10.00 (for being a new customer) and a $20.00 rebate from Kingston if you buy before the 31 of Jan. (today).
Only one per household... but my sister ordered the other one for me. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ So she also got the new customer discount and the 20.00 rebate.
So each 128MB ends up costing me $27.00
The RAM
I have the link for the coupon for $10.00 off if you want that too. Just put that in your cart first. Coupon for new customer discount
The Rebate paperwork
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As far as your surge protector goes---don't skimp. Recommend a small APC unit plus a good, fused and alarmed power strip. The powerstrip should be designed so as to accomodate AC adaptors without bumping into the next outlet. Also designed with phone line protection (Line IN to the strip; Line OUT to the modem).Plug the strip into the APC and the APC into the wall outlet. Make sure that if it's a double wall outlet, that you plug it into the one that is NOT controlled by a wall switch; for obvious reasons...Then plug your system, printer, scanner, etc. into the strip. If there is a double plug on the back of the APC, you can plug the system into that if you wish. Recommend leaving the power strip ON and control all power with the APC.
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Hi bistro,
I have seen what you mean about bumping into the next plug with AC adapters. What a waste of a plug. Will it say that on the box, is it eyeballable(<sp?--I couldn't find that in the dictionary https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ ), or do I need to take my tape measure with me ?
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Usually it will be advertised as such on the box--"New! Improved! We Finally made One That Works! Made To Make Room For AC Adaptors! Rejoice!", etc. Again, make sure it also has phone line protection. A lot of folks will have strips/surge boxes that'll protect their systems, but completely forget about that phone line to the modem. What happens when lightning strikes the phone lines? Helllooooooo.....and goooodbye modem (and anything else nearby).
EDIT: It will also probably have a "joule count" on it also--will protect up to so-and-so many joules. Won't go into a lengthy discourse on that; just this.... As Marie Antoinette said, "The more joules, the better".
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Ok. I had to learn that lesson the hard way https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I was lucky and they just replaced the modem. No charge. But the anguish I went through for days figuring out what was wrong with my dial up connection !
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Da mudderbord ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
It says right here on this little floppy disk Hot Rod 100 pro. I am fixing to read the BX133-RAID Users Manual.
Also says on here it "takes you to the top"!
I'm lookin' forward to that !
Hey! I can have up to 768MB of RAM! Might need some more.
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Good Lord, girl! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ What in the world would you do with that much RAM? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Most of it would be wasted, unless you plan on "modding" that system into a mainframe super-computer....
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OK https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I'll break that "myth" right off the bat. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ The gain would be just the ability to handle more programs before running out of memory (would take a hell of a lot with that much RAM!). 32 to 64>BIG speed increase.
64 to 128>considerable difference. 128 and beyond...beyond...beyond...>little to no speed increase.
(I think I've created a monster.... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/)
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OK according to my eyeballs this thing matches up to all the openings on the I/O plate. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
You mean I'll be able to have more than one window open at a time? And run two or three programs at once??? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Also, looks like six holes will line up once I knock out those breakaway plates and scoot it over just a little bit. Don't think it'll touch those other two dimples, then.
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Bistro,
When she finally hit the ip, we will be able to see the mushroom cloud and the sky will light up also.
QOH
Some systems when running office programs actually slowing down at 128MB do not know anything else except that it was a Intel cpu around 500MHz.Been running Swapmon
the last couple of days and so far it looks good for being able to cut back from a minimum 500MB to 200MB swap file. Using Bistro's suggested swapman's reading plus 50. Had to use 500 with 64MB ram. 128MB is looking much better.
Picked up the local freeby and it lists 128MB PC100/133 at $49. Same price for either.
Haven't as yet seen any other changes.
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QOH: Did an experiment a while back and put around 15 running programs (mostly graphics rendering) on the desktop before I started getting Windows warning messages. Yeah, you'll be able to "multitask" if you have to.
Check the mounting holes on that mobo carefully--are there any that do NOT align with a dimple--especially around the middle back edge. If all the mobo holes match a dimple, then do NOT put that ground copper screw on the case as depicted on your case diagram (#16).
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Won't know for sure until I knock those plates out. Guess I could go ahead and do that just to see. Couple of the holes are oval instead of round. There's also one in each of three corners on the very edge which don't have a little silver metal rim. Smaller. Probably not for screws.
The manual has pictures. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Still lots of innitials. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Also two programs. One is called High Point X Store Pro.The other is CD XPress. Some sort of utilities on the CD that came with it. CD XPress accelerates the accessing speed of the CDROM by accessing from the swap file instead of the Hard Drive.
The other one-- High Point X Store Pro--is a Hard Disk enhancement utility.
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You'll want to install the Highpoint X Store Pro drivers almost immediately after or during Windows installation (right after might be better). Those are your bus drivers (no, not the kind with the funny hats that barrel through your neighborhood). That CD Xpress is just an "extra"--might be nice to install later and see if the CD-ROM works better.
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Will do.
I took out those plates and it fits real good over all six of the holes. One hole is right behind where the clips for the DIMM slots are. But when they are closed, I can get to that one. Looks awfully close to those other three dimples that will not be used, along the edge, but does not actually touch. All the little ports stick out the back right where they are supposed to.
Now that I have all these pieces I will go read that Tutorial again. It'll make more sense now. Except for the BIOS part and all those settings. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Also, I read in the manual I have all the "qualifications" to have the Ultra ATA/100 set up.The HD is ATA/100. I meet all four requirements. So I am supposing that means to use a certain cable. The blue ended one. ATA/66 80-Conductor cable. There's more than one in the box.
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1. floppy [narrowest]
2. for your cd-rom
3. Blue tip https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ speedy
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Blue end will connect to the mobo on the #1 port. CD-ROM connects to #2.
As long as the mobo does not touch those other dimples, you're OK.
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So that's why there's three? Hard Drive, CDROM and FLoppy.
The book says connect the Blue to the "appropriate"(oh sure) 40 Pin IDE plug on the Motherboard.
Just before that it describes the 4 IDE plugs. #1 and #2 are for supporting UMDA33 and #3 and #4 are for UMDA33/66/100.
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Just before that it describes the 4 IDE plugs. #1 and #2 are for supporting UMDA33
[cd-rom , cd-rw, zip, etc]
and #3 and #4 are for UMDA33/66/100.[Put you hard disk here to fly]. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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QOH: If you want, and you have already installed the hard drive, CD-ROM, floppy, fans, etc.. Go ahead and hook up that mobo--you can still install the CPU, heatsink/fan, RAM, etc. with the mobo in there. (You don't HAVE to wait for the rest to install the mobo--it was just a suggestion). just don't hook up the power lines and cables just yet.
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Oh good ! I'll do that now.
Here's what is confusing me:
First, it says they strongly recommend not putting CDROM into the IDE 3 or 4.
Then they say that's what the GRAY end of the ATA60 cable is for. Blue to MotherBoard,
Black to Hard Drive and Gray to secondary device (such as secondary hard drive<-not applicable--or CDROM or tape drive)
THEN they say they strongly recommend you do not put CDROM and Hard drive on the same channel. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Huh?
The other big cable is what I should use for the CDROM...I think. It has three black ends.
The same size as the blue one on the other cable... Long part to the MB in one of the first two IDE plugs. Nothing in the middle.
The other end would go to the CDROM.
I see floppy has his own little place--the FDC1 plug, and not one of the IDE plugs.
(Narrow cable--> smaller plug ends than the other two cables)
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The Motherboard is installed. Sorry it took me so long...had to wait for the compressor tank to fill up. Used the pneumatic ratchet. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
6 screws? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ This is just silly. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
You knew it would not come with those special little studs. Good thing you had me to order those. Wonder why they don't include them?
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Dat's rite. Put the CD-ROM in the IDE #1, the hard drive in the ATA (#3). Floppy is pretty straightforward--has it's own. keep the devices on the ends of the cable--don't use the secondary (middle) connector. But again, I would hold off on the cables until you get the CPU, etc. onto the mobo. (But you can "practice" if you want https://discussions.virtualdr.com/).
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Now I see why there are so many plug holes in the back of the drives. Still needs power.
One tiny little wire in a bag in the box, too. Orange plastic thingy on one end and a connector on the other and with a eensy weensy yellow post it note.
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Is there an eensy weensy little note on the post-it describing what it's for?
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I will continue following this tomorrow.
But it is a good thing she has not read my bios setup instructions, like heavy heavy.
Goodnight all.
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Oh now, don't worry about the BIOS--fairly simple really. Just have to press the A-P-&-Page Up and the {] keys simultaneously and hold for 5 seconds, then hit the space bar 10 times, then the BIOS should come up...piece of cake....
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/No...I couldn't read it if there was.
Wonder if it some sort of think to keep it dry or something.
I keep getting disconnected in the middle of this. Third time
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/I know how to get in there! And that's not how I do it.
I mean to set it up. I won't worry until I'm in there. Then....
Gotta get the kids in bed.
See ya in the morning.
Night
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Goo Nite. Will write up the "essential" BIOS changes for you and how to do them. just a few.
Nite all...
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AH HA! It's a two threaded thermal cable. One end attaches to the TSYS2 header, then tape the other end to whatever device you want to detect the temperature of.
The yellow post it note lookin' thing is the tape. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Ahhhhh...so that's it...Great! Next time you feel a little under the weather, you can stick your head in the case to check if you've got a fever.....
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It's anal, bistro. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Since I won't be needin' it for a while, guess I ought to put it someplace where I'll be sure I can find it later....Ya rectum? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Mornin'
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Getting a mental picture of someone sitting on an open case with the power on...
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Someone???
...better not be me!
In it's present incomplete condition, it's the perfect height for a bedside commode.
I'm reading the BIOS chapter now. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I really like that word ...default.
And these multiplier factors. Am I gonna have to deal with that business, too?
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I'm reading the tutorial again. I get to skip two steps. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Install the PS/2 Mouse Port Connectors, and Install the I/O Port Connectors. These are built into my Motherboard.
I was reading those two sections and getting very confused thinking I must be missing something, then I realized it was because I have the ATX form factor and not the AT. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Hmmmm..try this again--other reply didn't post for some reason.
Yes, there'll be some things that are non-applicable--read carefully.
Still typing up a BIOS "tip" sheet that will take you through the changes to make when setting up the new system. As far as the CPU settings--the BIOS may or may not correctly detect that CPU--most of the time it does. Persnickety thing, the BIOS. But the changes are relatively simple. The tip sheet will also include those changes for the vid card.
Refresh my memory...exactly what CPU did you order?
