Operation Delta 13

Operation Delta 13 now starts where we find the building of one computer (if not more) continues. There are now several efforts at building and major upgrades going on with some other inquiries on how to. In something like a little over two months the effort has been successful for those involved. We continue our project lots of help from VirDr members. Click here for Operetion Delta 12.

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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 01-18-2001).]

OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmm!


https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Hey! you may be right Mosaic! Remember those chants in the first Operation Delta thread??? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

If thou seekest to build thyself a new system, first obtain a case...for without it, all the pieces shall falleth to the ground and be rendered useless and void.

---excerpt from A Sermon given by bistro While Sitting Cross-legged on a Hilltop

[This message has been edited by bistro (edited 01-18-2001).]

Chants? Velley intullesting. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Still keeping up with you guys as far as reading goes on the threads and been researching a bit. Will find a few minutes in the couple of days to start odering. What about the hot deal yesterday - fall through?

Mosaic has been very busy and the eyes are probably very tired, and to give her a break, I will see if she will be my buyer with her plastic. (This is not an original idea as you know.) https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Mosaic, I have had roughly the same thought about us. A sermon from the .....? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Later.



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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/Allrightythen,
I'm sick of lookin' at it. I need some more pieces!

I know my post got there, but I can't read it or a subsequent post. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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I promised you guys some benchmark results on that Prophet II MX card, but having a couple of glitches with the program. Need to make a couple of changes in the BIOS tonight; preliminary results are that the MX card is beating the pants off the (original) Viper 770.
QOH: In the meantime, take some pics of the new case...send them to family and friends...make a Christmas postcard maybe... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Patience, my dear, patience... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

36 Exposures. Panoramic views. Zoom in and out. With the sides on ...with the sides off....even one upsidedown so I have a nice view of the rubber feet. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

http://www.zing.com/picture/p0214d40...8.gif.orig.gif
Finished with benchmarking: Viper 770 =2225, ProphetII MX= 2548. Now this brings up an important point that I was not aware of before. First place, those scores are way too low for the Prophet II as far as i can tell. Found out that my board is NOT "AGP 2.0 compliant" (nothing to do with ps compliancy). To use the Prophet II MX, your board has to be AGP 2.0 compliant, or the vid card will not do as well as it could. Checking the Abit 133-RAID, but as yet found no info as to whether it has this compliancy or not. (v. 1.0 or 2.0?). Don't get me wrong, the card works on my system, but not as well as it could. tried out a 3d intensive game with it--looks good, but could be better (still better than the old card). I know Gigabyte makes boards with this compliancy--will check them out (and could use help in checking out the Abit board).

[ Specifications ]

CPU
1. Supports Intel Pentium® III Socket based processor
2. Supports Intel Celeron® Socket based processor
3. Reservers support for future Intel Pentium® III/Celeron processor

Chipset
1. Intel®440BX chipset (82443BX and 82371EB)
2. Supports Advanced Configuration and Power Management Interface (ACPI)
3. Supports AGP 1X/2X (Sideband)3.3V device

Ultra DMA 100
1. High Point HTP370 IDE Controller
2. Ultra DMA 100MB/Sec data transfer rate
3. RAID 0(stripping mode for boosting performance)
4. RAID 1 (mirroring mode for data security)
5. RAID 0 +1(stripping and mirroring)

Memory
1. Three 168-pin DIMM sockets support SDRAM module
2. Supports up to 1GB MAX. (8, 16, 32, 64, 128,256MB SDRAM)
3. Supports ECC

System BIOS
1. SoftMenuTMIII Patent Technology and DIP switches to set CPU parameters
2. Award Plug and Play BIOS
3. Write-Protect Anti-Virus function by AWARD BIOS
4. Year 2000 Compliant

Multi I/O Functions
1. Two Channels of Bus Master IDE Ports supporting up to four Ultra DMA 33/66/100(up to 4 HDD devices)
2. Two Channels of Bus Master IDE Ports supporting up to four Ultra DMA 33 devices(up to 4 HDD devices)
3. PS/2 Keyboard and PS/2 Mouse Connectors
4. 1 Floppy Port (up to 2.88MB)
5. 1 Parallel Port (EPP/ECP)
6. 2 Serial Ports
7. 2 USB Connectors


Miscellaneous
1. 1 AGP slot, 5 PCI slots and 1 ISA slot
2. Hardware monitoring - Including Fan speed, Voltages,System environment temperature
3. Keyboard/Mouse/Password and Hot Key multifunction Power On.
4. Built-in Wake on LAN/Wake on Ring header
5. Built-in IrDA TX/RX header

Is that it ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Oh ye on high, will this help?

Oh yeah, good evening to the rest of the mortal earthlings. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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More on Abit 133 Raid. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Nite All. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 01-18-2001).]

Finally, back on the net!!! Someone downloaded and installed a webhancer today. Ad Aware removered it and tore out a bunch of the network stuff. Backed a bunch of stuff up to cd, then scanreg /restore and here I am https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Wore out,
Mosaic Yes I got it.
Send a couple emails then off to bed. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Night all!

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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 01-19-2001).]

Morning All, Saw a no name ad for a 250W PS-ATX mid tower for $29.99. Time to run thru price checks in general again. There has been big drops in alot of things. Going to ckeck out small independent shop I found tonight on way home if get out of work at a normal time. Visited my computer ops yesterday and couldn't find any answers on why I am having comm problems. Found out there are still Cobal and RP language being used. Later. Be well. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/


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Good morning! Still working the issue--not a real "biggie", but just curious. Greengoose: first link is interesting--that's what i have, the Soyo 6BA +IV; interesting comparisons. Got a gut feeling there's a setting or dinky program way in the background doing this https://discussions.virtualdr.com/--I shall seek diligently. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Test test test

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I do not need one but I have a hunch, a couple people may need a file splitter before to long. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

think I will do a little looking tomorrow. Yeah, hot pocket https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Do they come with instructions?

I did a little surfing this afternoon instead of ....or in conjunction with my lunch. Motherboards $129.00 Allstar (+freight) $149.00 Directron (+freight+tax)
I did find a couple places for $112.00 (+freight) -->Two year warranty.

So... What's the word, bistro ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Is it still a go on the Motherboard, or ya want me to hang on ??

Queen_of_Hearts
A file splitter will allow you Take something that is to big for a floppy and spread things over multiple floppies and put it back together and have it work afterward. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 01-19-2001).]

Yep...I'll be needin' one.
http://www.zing.com/picture/pba28c22...1/fef1e045.gif

https://discussions.virtualdr.com/


[This message has been edited by Queen_of_Hearts (edited 01-19-2001).]

We have ignition. Q_O_H should be in orbit before long. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/



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I read this and like our Bootdisk better?? Microsoft KB: Duplicating Windows 95/98 Installation to a New Hard Disk

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Train,
Is our new Ultimate Boot Disk going to do all that for us ? I don't even want to read that ...much less have to do it ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

...guess bistro is still "seeking diligently" ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

I thought you would agree and simpler also. Excellent Boot Disk. Now that we have read the textbook answer I will stick with Bistro's lead. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Did a del windows on a machine, a blink and it was gone, I mean GONE.
Playing around on a goofed up computer was all. Not goofed up any more though. And owner is happy it works. [Stole his screwdriver https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ too. ]

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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 01-20-2001).]

Stole his screwdriver? Train, I am shocked. Hee Hee https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Used to call it midnight requistion. Good screw driver?

OK people, here's the haps. Got Mike 400 interested on the forum to go after his CD problem but need some help on that thread. Train, I couldn't find a thread you had on a similar problem.



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Just reached over, picked it up and put it in my pocket. He proved mental gain by keeping his mouth shut, while watching me.

I just got back on line and posted to Mike 400.

Pay check damage today, so far:
Duron 800MHZ cpu
128MB PC133
case fan
Heat sink and fan for cpu
cd-rom
floppy
And probably get a WD 30GB ATA100 today also.
Guess who got interested also https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Darn if it has speeded things up.


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OOmmvvvee ...I'm tellin' ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/


https://discussions.virtualdr.com/Oh Train! You're almost there!
Video Card?

Thanks Train. I take it you're building one from looking at your list. HeHe https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ That's great. Looks like I'm bringing up the rear here. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Been trying to dope out these CD-ROM problems and got into file associations heavy this week and that brought in the registry and I sure wish I could right click on Mosaic and have her here going through this "stuff" with me. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/





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Can not find the one I want for a video card.
will use onboard sound blaster audio. Good enough for now. $$$

To go
HD
Monitor
keyboard
mouse
video
LAN
speakers

Getting there.

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Add HD to list WD 30GB ATA100 7200 RPM.
Now to wait till Feb 2001 paydays. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Interesting stuff came with it.
Manual
Data Lifeguard EZ-Install software and step by step with window by window graphics on a poster.
Like I said Interesting.

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Be gittin' yer rear in gear, greengoose, 'for I hafta come up there an goose ya! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Terrrriffic Train ! Did it make a pretty big hole in your pocket ?

...bistro ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ you still markin' the benches?

Total out so far is $614.22

Monitor 17" $170 ??
Video card 150 ??
the rest 125??
Still cheaoer than this Compaq was. And only 1 off the top of the line on everything so far, so it will have a long life ahead. Strong toooooo. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Still under a thousand. Except for the monitor. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

I can pick up a ATI 32MB video card for 80 but it is not the one I am shooting for.
So, Back to researching.
Nic's price depends on manufactor. 14 - 98
keyboard and mouse < 40
Still might make it under 1000 mark. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Ok...been checking around and here's what's come up so far:
If using any GeForce 2, to get the full benefit from it, the mobo AGP must have 2.0 compliance (again...nothing to do with PS compliance). The card works great on other boards, but not to it's fullest potential.
Mobos with the Intel 815e chipset or higher have this compliance; the Intel BX-based boards do not. So it's a toss-up as far as to what exactly do you want. Compared two boards; the Abit BX 133-RAID (BX-base) and the Abit SE6 (815e-base). Basic pros and cons:
Abit BX-133 RAID--excellent reviews; fast hard drive access; has two ATA connectors, two IDE connectors--nice to put two ATA hard drives on each connector (each can have their own "channel")--eliminates need to get a controller card for a 5th IDE device, such as a ZIP drive.(You can actually have 4 ATA devices and 4 IDE devices without the need for a controller card). Has one ISA slot for legacy devices such as an ISA modem. Con--can't take advantage of a GeForce 2 card's full potential (no AGP 2.0 compliance).

Abit SE6: also good reviews;fast hard drive access; has 2.0 compliance so it will run a GeForce 2 card to full potential; built-in sound if wanted.
Con--has only two ATA-100 connectors. If two hard drives, the slave will have to go on the same cable, 2 other IDE devices on the other connector--if you add 5th IDE device, you'll need a controller card (not a biggie, just an inconvenience to me). Also, has only PCI slots, so if you have an ISA modem...oh, well...go out and get a PCI modem (also not a biggie, but just inconvenient).

That's what I've got so far--still looking around. Like mentioned before, the card works very good, and still out-benchmarks the old one on my BX board. I guess it's the performance nut in me that it irks a little bit that the card isn't at "full gear".
Now, if there are any intrepid readers looking at this, and you know something more about this issue, BY ALL MEANS add your two cents! Inquiring minds want to know... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/


[This message has been edited by bistro (edited 01-21-2001).]

ASUS A7V has all the compliances but no ISA slots. [Don't use a modem] ATA100 controler.
AGP 2.0 spec's for 4X, 2X, and 1X AGP modes; and PCI 2.2 bus interface for 5 PCI masters.

You should be able to find the Intel version of this board. O/C's dream? choice dips or software.

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Is the only difference in the modems--- the pins where it connects in the slot?(PCI or ISA) Since I'll be needing one anyway, if that's the difference, it's not a problem. I looked it up and the Abit SE6 is about $10.00 more than the BX 133-Raid.

Why would having both hard drives on the same cable be a problem ?

Bistro, can the performance between the two cards been seen with the naked eye in actual operation? Looking at your write up, the Abit 133 Raid overall would be best. I say this from the standpoint also that I'm not a big game player as yet. Also the 133 is easier to work with and simpler in terms of hardware configuration.

The PC Outpost shop visited turned out to be disapointing as they only sell systems, games, software, and periphials -no components. The systems range from P-1 thru P-3 up to 6Gig memory and price range from $299 to $799. I observed one customer upgrading from P-1 to P-2 system. They finance their own. Interesting marketing here.

Train, saw a price for a 15" monitor for $99. So added in with the other info indicates prices still softening. Staying back from the cutting edge helps too. Maybe the 17 will come down more than the $170.

That thread on not building, this week, versus buying was valid for people that only want to surf, write, business, etc. Not valid in terms of money, quality, power, and dependability. (And the geek reasons. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/)

Off Topic - Downloaded Tweak UI and without thinking misassociated it with Word so I have a nice text document. Is there a quick reassociation method to correct my error? Get in a huurry always causes grief for me. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Queen of Hearts, I must say the last comment made by you was not royal at all but very common. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/


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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 01-21-2001).]

Sorry greengoose, https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I forget who I'm spozed to be sometimes and revert. Married into royalty, ya know. No Royal blood.

Doing a bit of research here, so can only drop in every once in a while for right now.
greengoose--just uninstall/reinstall--best way to correct that.
QOH: Not that much diff between PCI and ISA modems--just that ISA is being slowly phased out.
Train: Thanks for the tip on the Asus. Will check around for an Intel 815e equivalent.

Been playing around with this GeForce 2 MX card. For higher framerate/benchmarking scores, it's recommended to turn off all antialiasing (feature to get rid of the "jaggies" in 3D rendering). Well, I turned it on and ran a couple of 3D games/demos---looked very, very good. In fact, ran a benchmark before antialiasing and after. Actually got a better score with the AA on--go figure....
Greengoose: If you're not into intensive gaming and obsessed with frame rates, etc., you're not going to even notice this. Al-in-all, this is a great card (Hercules Prophet 2 MX). If this is the "low-end", I can't imagine the performance from the Ultra, GTS, etc.
Will check in later--it's off to cybersearch world. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/