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We start OpDe5 now as OpDe4 is to long. The saga continues. or Is it possible to build a computer on VirtualDr without crashing? Read the past sections to see. If anyone reads this and can add something, please do.
See here Operation Delta 4
greengoose1
good evening to you.
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Ok, looks like we are talking about anything to do with CD-ROM subjects and derivitives therby. So the question is, What do we want in our computer, keeping in mind the basic parameters we started with.
And to you Train. Did the project conclude successfully that you were rebuidling?
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Hi all. The wife is OK; very tired still and still slowly recuperating, but doing better. Thanks.
"Master of the Computer"???
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I suppose someone has to carry the burden, Bistro. Train was here, don't know where he went. Glad things are ok.
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Glad to hear that bistro. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Thanks Mosaic,
Hope your team wins !
Carb fine, spark problems, swap in know good items tomorrow.
where I stand
Inwin S500 tower 300 watt ps
ASUS A7V mb
GeFORCE 2 mx VIDEO CARD
NOW LOOKING AT
LS120 120 MB floppie system that I like instead of 1.44 floppy
cd-rom
cd-rw maybe have a usb hp that I like
128MB P133 Ram
Duron 600?/700MHz cpu
2ea 20GB harddrives
Net card instead of modem.
Heat sink and fan for cpu.
This where I am right now.
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So far I have on the list
1. S500
bistro
Glad to hear the Mrs. going better!!!
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Here is a review of some cd-rw programs. http://www.winplanet.com/winplanet/reviews/2514/1/
Might answer some nagging questions.
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Night all
Thanks Train. Hey, I was wondering...why are you going with the LS120? Not too many folks use them. Why not an internal ZIP? (more interchangeability---business world uses ZIPs to pass files around more than 120s).
That case has 2 3.5 bays in it--a floppy and a ZIP would fit quite nicely.
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LS120 came on this machine and I want certain compatabilities between them.
2. I do not like the looks of the zip. Why,I don't know.
3. After I get this project finish I have been thinking of making a 120MB bootdisk, you know experiment with. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Darn it did not get my 128MB PC 133 ram for this thing tonight.
True on business world. But they sold a lot in this area.
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greengoose,
That's a start ! Now put sumpthin' in that box ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Oh...I don't know about that ZIP not looking good...a little glue, a pinch of sparkles, some nice stickers...neon paint...might look nice. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
You forgot the refrigerator magnets bistro ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Just me. Probably heard to many stories about it. shudddder.
Gots to get to bed,
so to all I wish a good night.
Hope things fall correctly for me tomorrow.
Have a couple picts I have rendered up and the times,etc all written down nicely. Most likely later in the week as things look.
Good night to all now.
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You forgot the refrigerator magnets bistro !
He did didn't he.
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Train,
Wonder if RAM is really dropping around here too. I'm going to check that out tomorrow. Might get me one piece for my collection https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Make mine a 3/4 ton diesel crewcab https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ with 50 gallons usable
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Can't hear Jack in the drive thru https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Smelly, too.....gives me a headache.
How much did you see it for ?
Is P133 what I need too ?
Normally it depends on your mother board. What I am getting right now will go into this machine as it is backward compatable with P100. If it doesn't work there is always the new board. But it is the same price for P100 OR P133. $70
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I want it for the NEW one. This money is burning a hole in my pocket.
Just wanted to make sure one size fits all. I'll take my list so "the salesman" will know what I'll be using it with.
If you have your list and it has the mb on it. You more than likely will wind up with P133.
From a hour drive to the North and 30 minutes to the South, it is basically a big city here. 6,000,000 people if I remember right.
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Mosaic1: I'll have to forego on any dissertation about SCSI (pronounced "scuzzy"---term coined by a computer geek to describe not only a computer interface, but also their underwear after a 5-day camping trip) and IDE/EIDE. Sorry, but I'm a bit exhausted right now and think it's time to hit the hay. I'll go into it further tomorrow, if you wish, but suffice it to say for now:
"SCSI is fuzzy, so EIDE is for me".
More to follow.
Nite all--don't let the bed bugs bite. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Night https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Thank you.
After midnight for bistro and after 9PM for me.
Crash time.
night https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Morning All, In the teens here this morning - invigorating? Something Mosaic said yeaterday caught my attention and that is that nothing is new .... That may be true except for the individual learning whatever.
And remember, if you are interested, nothing ever gets boring. Enough of that. Back to the coherent madness of building a computer.
I am particularly interested in Scuzzy etc. and await with bated breath. Picking hardware in this area is hard for me with so much there. Gnomes of knowledge come forth.
Have a great day. Enjoy https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Train, Can the S500 be purchased with a 300W PS already installed.
QoH - See E-Mail. Oops E-Mail is down - cannot access.
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greengoose1:
I wont get too technical for now, it would make my post about an hours worth of reading. For starters, SCSI stands for Small Computer Systems Interface. When it was introduced in the 80's it was a much faster technology than anything currently available.
The SCSI standard specifies a universal, parallel, system interface for connecting up to eight devices( including the adapter/controller) on a single, shared cable (called the SCSI bus). In layman's terms, you have a SCSI adapter(controller) board plugged into a PCI slot with seven other devices (ie. hard-drive, cd-rom, scanner etc.) connected by one long ribbon cable. (included in the seven devices you may connect an external device or two depending on the adapter).
SCSI works by assigning a unique device number (called a "SCSI address") to each device on the SCSI bus. These numbers are configured either through jumpers or DIP switches.
In a nutshell, whenever the computer needs to send data to a SCSI device, it sends a signal to the SCSI adapter (controller). The adapter (controller) then sends the signal through the SCSI bus to the appropriate device. The device then responds with a signal that contains the device number that sent the information and the data itself.
This information is sent back through the adapter to the rest of the computer. Remember, the adapter(controller)is used to manage all the devices on the SCSI bus as well as send and retrieve data from all the devices. (These adapters have their own little BIOS programs).
The difference between SCSI adapters(controllers) and on-board or plugin IDE controllers is that SCSI adapters (controllers) don't have to do as much work as a true IDE controller. This is because SCSI devices are "smart" devices; they contain a circuit board that can control the read/write movement. Essentially, they are smart enough to interpret signals and return the correct data.
My opinion on SCSI; its really not worth the extra money or hassles of setting up anymore.
With the introduction of EIDE and faster devices (ie. 7200 rpm hard drives, 50X CD-ROM's etc.) the speed advantage of SCSI has been significantly reduced. Also, SCSI devices typically cost about 20% more than EIDE devices and you also have the extra cost of a SCSI adapter board (approx $40.00 to $100.00). Nowdays, most SCSI applications are limited to Network servers and high-end workstations. The only exception that I am aware of, is with CD-R's and CD-RW's. There are a lot of SCSI CD-R users (ie. Plextor) that feel that the throughput (or speed) of SCSI helps reduce the occurances of buffer underruns.
My experience with CD-R's and CD-RW's has been mainly with EIDE devices. I have only had a few buffer underruns after burning more than 300 cd's. For your first system, I would recommend skipping SCSI and sticking to EIDE devices.
greengoose1:
Since I'm already here, I guess I'll throw my two cents in about Cd "burners". First, a CD writer is absolutely worthless if you can't figure the software out! From personal experience, I have to endorse Adaptec's Easy CD Creator software. It's easy to run and they have a reasonably decent site for updates. Second, if you are going to buy a CD-writer get a good quality one! Pay attention to internal buffers, and make sure that you get a good CD-ROM that matches up well with the "burner".
I was wondering where you were sdtech. See how simple that is QoH? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Been trying to get this subject straight in my mind and there it is brief and to the point. Thanks https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Train, When you check in, please give me your opinion on 20GB that you put on your list and 30GB I am considering. Be Back
Morning https://discussions.virtualdr.com/Connection problems this AM https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ .
sdtech,
Thanks for that explanation. Also about the software. That's why I wondered if it came with a program (software) yesterday. Hafta be able to use it !
Gotta work.... Later
Mosaic, The way sdtech put it, I fear this is but a tip of another iceberg of knowledge that we need. Wonder where Bistro is.
greengoose,
I know the S500 includes the 300W power supply. Whether you have to install it remains to be seen. Probably in it's own little box since you can order the case with different power supplies. It's also 2.01 complient. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Glad we discussed this CD business. I've been giving those threads my attention now. So that's what they mean by making "coasters" ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Sorry---power outage here. We be back. Good explanation there, sdtech! (...and to think I was gonna say "SCSI bad, EIDE good"... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Sdtech1 is absolutomondo correct--don't think of investing in/installing SCSI--those 7200rpm ATA-66's recommended way back will be more economical, much easier to install, and about as fast as as SCSI. Not quite, but close. They also won't give you as many problems in my book.
That case: depends on the vendor. Some will install the upgrade ps at the shop, then ship. Others will ship the case and ps separately. Installing the ps is nothing--4 screws; and the orientation of the ps is obvious.
As far as that 2.01 compliance--the industry learned the error of its ways a while back--You can pretty much assume a new ATX power supply will be compliant. Doesn't hurt to check though.
Mosaic, The more opinions we have the better, I agree. And I have been surfing the various roads of knowledge. And I want it all right now. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ (And stir it you did - proud of you https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/)
QoH, Thanks, I couldn't find it and wasn't sure. Reading that thread on programs which was individual thoughts and perspectives got me to thinking. I know, I know, don't say a word. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ What set of progroms would be the optimum for us to utilize in these units?
Recommended Basic Load (bear in mind that everyone has a "preference")
1. Windows 98 SE: Forget ME for now--too new and too many "bugs" being reported.
2. Antivirus: Norton, McAfee. InoculateIt is good also(free).
3. Zone Alarm: firewall
4. Irfanview: free graphics viewer
5. Norton Utilities: diagnostics
6. GoBack: disk recovery program
7. Internet Explorer 5.01 or Netscape:
Do not install IE 5.5 yet--lots of bug reports.