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And we begin Operation Delta 3. Dedicated to Excellence and Long Term Acheivement.
The Chairborne Ranger is here. Speak, Grasshopper... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Operation Delta 2 fairly exploded with posts. Therefore I made a quick change to 3. At this point for any new readers, the Queen of Hearts and I did not know enough to build our own computers. With the help of our teachers, our mentors, we will build them.
Continued from Operation Delta 2
bistro,
This is not a "special purpose" computer I will be building, so per YOUR advice I will stick with the 7,200rpm. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
And stick it out with what I have, just like it is, until then......soon
Thanks QoH.
Alrighty. May I recommend, budget-wise, a Western Digital ATA-66 (I know, I know...some of you out there want the biggest and the baddest, but let's get reasonable here...). You pick the capacity; probably a 20 gig will do ya'. They're MUCH quieter than the Maxtors. Had a Maxtor awhile back that had GoBack on it. When it started writing or thrashing, it sounded like a 1968 IBM Selectric typewriter trying to type on sheetrock...got rid of it right quick. You say you only have 190 left on yours--let me think awhile and see what we can do to improve it's performance just a tidge while you're waiting.
Saw it, Mosaic.
I looked in there and it says:
Available space on Drive C: 181MB of 802MB(FAT32)
they are dwindling away.....
Ok, I would like to hear more on practicing with a hard drive and partitioning that Mosaic has been nudging us towards. Of course, as always, I don't know anything about this area. The Queen of Hearts can speak for herself.
I can just picture in my mind the gnomes rubbing their hands together in glee.
Mosaic1
Then I was mislead. But, was told what it says there was identical to msinfo32??
Enlighten me please.
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SMILE
OK, I can wait on the partitioning. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I wanna hear this.
You most certainly may. And I do not care about the biggest and baddest. 20 Gigs is plenty. Wow ! HUGE compared to this. And should I need to be bigger could I add to that ?
Queen_of_Hearts
And should I need to be bigger could I add to that ?
Oh, yes yes
maybe 4 of them tere 80Gig types or is it 60 https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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SMILE
[This message has been edited by Train (edited 12-06-2000).]
Hast thou the desire to split a hard drive? Thou seekest a goodly thing. But beware! If thou should do so, thou must understandeth first The Sacred Way of Partitioning, which can be frought with danger and much cursing. Better to study and practice on thy neighbor's system first, for then thy system shall be preserved in the day thou screwest up..."
----The Holy Hard Drive Scroll, Chp 3, vs 98.
Q_o_H: Obviously, any of this will be for learning only--don't try to partition your current hd. Waiting for Mosaic1 to take the ball on this one...will jump in if needed.
Good Train,
I have written that down. Quality ? Is Western Digital a good name ?
Would I be proud of it ?
Oh I won't, bistro. Don't have much to partition do I ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
[This message has been edited by Queen_of_Hearts (edited 12-06-2000).]
I was busy with the other post and I come back to more (gotta take those speed typing courses...).
Yes to Train's "Yes, Yes!"--you can add a slave drive to your primary---as big as you want. Sky's the limit. (But don't go that big....
"Warp speed now Scottie" https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Queen_of_Hearts
Ah partitioning, close to my heart, better then eating ice cream, love it so much wrote an article about it..
Looksee Here
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Murf
My Win95 Help Page
Murphy's Law- It will go wrong, but we can fix it!!
But if it ain't broke - "Break It" - So we can help fix it!
Queen_of_Hearts
I just picked up the new scandle sheet that I linked you to for motherboards.
And looking at some ads.
Western Digital
I will post the 20 GB
5400 RPM $115
7200 RPM $125
I do believe the 10 difference is worth it.
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SMILE
[This message has been edited by Train (edited 12-06-2000).]
There are a lot of choices out there. I suggested Western Digital for budget/noise reasons. Some people are quite happy with them; others aren't. Had trouble with one about 5 years ago; but WD replaced it no problem. They've improved them since. Others are Quantum, Seagate, Fujitsu, or Maxtor. What you are looking for primarily is capacity, price, and making sure it's an ATA-66 (or 100) 7200rpm type.
Just read JT's article. Please explain the relationship between partitioning, DOS function, and a Win98 machine. I keep hearing DOS is going out. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Same here good read.
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jtmurphy,
What would I gain from doing this ?
Very easy to read by the way. I could definitely follow your instructions. And pictures too ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
What do you think about the Western digital hard drive ?
Train,
great ! we are comparison shopping ! yeah !
Would you also recommend it ?
EDIT:
bistro, I see you have two Western Digitals. Even after having the problem you went with it again.hummmm That's good.
Might try to find some reviews on it and the Seagate, and then compare the price.
[This message has been edited by Queen_of_Hearts (edited 12-06-2000).]
I am using Quantum And can not say on western Digital over 800 megs https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
But, the post That I recall?? it seems the people had not read up on what was going to happen. We have a cheat sheet jtmurphy though https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
hardisk brands
some of them anyway.
IBM ATA100 30GB 149
western Digital listed above
Fujitsu 7200 rpm 20 GB $119 ata66
Maxtor same
Seagate same
Samsung same
Quantum DMA 100 7200 20GB $140
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SMILE
[This message has been edited by Train (edited 12-06-2000).]
That's right. (That particular WD is gone now--put it in a computer I built for a friend about 2 years ago---he's still using it). Used to have 2 Maxtors--like I said before--too noisy for my tastes. Replaced them with WD ATA-66's. Have had no problem with them--quite fast. Primary has Windows and my programs; slave has the swap file and an image backup copy of the primary (Norton Ghost). If the primary crashes and cannot be fixed, it takes about an hour and a half to reformat and restore everything onto the primary from the slave drive--not too bad.
Thinking about partitioning the slave and putting the swap file on it's own partition.
Why? I dunno....somethin' to do. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
**EDIT: Gettin' real tired folks...sorry.
Think I'll hit the hay...no, really, it's real hay...couldn't afford a new mattress from all the upgrades I've done in the past 3 years... Nite all. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Bistro's Fortune Cookie Wisdom:
Remember: every cloud has a silver lining...
just don't be up there with a drunk pilot.
[This message has been edited by bistro (edited 12-06-2000).]
I already got sumpthin' ta do ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I have been going over the old HP thread and the other one with the recommendations in it (giving the PB to the kids) and most of the recommendations are for either Western Digital or IBM, on the Hard drive. The IBM is quieter?
Also higher. I see that from your list Train. But that's a 30 gig, too.
You should hear this thing !
[This message has been edited by Queen_of_Hearts (edited 12-06-2000).]
Night bistro, thanks. Your brain needs the rest. See ya tomorrow. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Night all Know where I will crash, in bed https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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SMILE
Least it's you crashing and not your computer !
Night Train https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Mosaic,
I wouldn't know FAT from skinny (I know which I'd rather be https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ ).
I think Train really wanted to know. And I don't think you would hurt his feelings by enlightening him. You wouldn't mine !
If there's anything you see that you think I am not understanding, or have been misinformed about, please tell me. It's the only way I'll learn.
Love your lights ! I wish it would snow then melt real quick before the snow plows make it ugly.
Hope HP's well.
Night
Morning All, When one of you has a sec, please answer that relationsip question on partitioning, DOS, and a WIN 98 setup that came up after reading J T Murphy's article. The DOS part of it keeps coming up in a lot of different topics and posts.
Queen_of_Hearts Ref your statement, I think Train really wanted to know , is the truth. I even got on the computer this morning looking for a correction of facts. But found nothing. Ohh well https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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SMILE
Boy, you guys get up early.
Morning. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
greengoose1:
Microsoft has announced repeatedly over the years that it intends to phase out MS-DOS. For the most part,it has rendered many of the DOS commands and utility programs to be of little use. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, Fdisk and Format are still quite useful. Since they both work quite well, why reinvent the wheel? Microsoft also indicated that it would continue to use these and other DOS utilities in order for users to install and use older DOS programs and devices (backwards compatability issues).
On the other hand, Microsofts newer Operating Systems such as NT 4.0 and Windows 2000 include (non-dos) partitioning and formatting functions in the initial install of the OS. They also allow you to use Microsoft's NTFS file system which is NON-DOS.
To go one step further, Sdtech, in building these units what would be your idea of an operating system to install and why. The os needs to very flexible maybe? Or is that asking to much.
May I? If you plan to get a rather large hd, you can partition it off and install 1, 2, 3 etc. OS's on it---but only if you determine you really need those. If two, Win 98SE and NT 4.0 would be a good choice--one for the gaming, home use, etc.; the other for business/work use (if that's what is used at work--allows you to bring work home if necessary). For now, I'd stick with Win 98SE--forget Win ME. I'm not a big conspiracy buff, but I can't shake the feeling that ME is just a Microsoft Research & Development experiment---send it out, get all the bug reports back, then incorporate those "improvements" into the release of MS Whistler (the "final" 98 series coming out next year). Why waste tons of money on the one R&D lab rat in the building, when you have a whole parking lot full of guinea pigs who are willing to buy and send in "reports"?
As for NT 4.0: good, solid, stable for business purposes--not designed, of course, for gaming.
Any other OS's, including Linux, just aren't "there" yet, in my opinion. Fun to play around with, but not "universal" enough (yet) to have as a primary OS.
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Oh alright......FINE..... I'll pay attention to this partitioning stuff. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I read in Win 98 fourm that it's a good idea to do this even before you install the Operating system. So I guess I better get a handle on this, too.
Illustrious Mentor - good morning - https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I have home use and my own business requirements, ie the usual office records etc. I am tied in with Earnware to keep track on incoming E-Mail and Phone Messages.
I would not put ME in as I believe it adds nothing compared to what you pay for it. I don't want to pay what their asking for a nice looking package and a CD that has an unknown how much on it?
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ QoH, I think for your purposes, when the time comes, all you're going to really "need"
to do is make a small partition to put your swap file on (separating it from all the other files). This helps with speed/performance--in other words, not totally necessary, but it can enhance. If later you decide you want more partitions,
then you can do them rather easily with utilities such as Ranish or Partition Magic.
Ok...reality check... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Like to ask both of you a question: What's the issue(s) either of you feel is the biggest hurdle you need to get over before taking the plunge? Fear of the unknown? Budget? Fear you'll get the "wrong" hard drive, case, mobo, etc.? Anything? (Not trying to be cute here...just want to clear the cobwebs if any). What info do you really wanna have that would make you feel a lot more comfortable with the idea of building your own?
EDIT: Going outside for a break--be back in 10-15 minutes. You don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable, nor do you HAVE to answer right away. Just think about it and answer if and when you want to... just trying to help.
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Fear of the unknown and budget. Only have about half what I'm pretty sure I'll need, if yours is any indication.
Now there's Christmas, which will set me back. Or, it could also be to my advantage.. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I have decided on the Brands of most of these things, from the advise of those who have contributed to this thread. Except for the processor (which also will determine which Motherboard). Still have not decided on that.