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Philgo...I have no intention of buying it. I am running 98 and as they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
I have a "copy" of it right now just to try and I'll post back and let you know how it works. The first thing I did notice with it was that my @home software called 'Virtual Technician' was having problems. To me it looks kind of cartoonish, but you can switch it back to the classic desktop if you would like.
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I've been using it for a little while now, and it is pretty good. If you're into gaming, it's very good for that purpose. I prefer the classic windows environment, and it was pretty easy to change. The bottom line is, the guy a couple of posts up is right. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If you're really looking for a new OS, and you don't want to "borrow a copy of XP purely for evaluation, not piracy", then you should buy it. It's certainly not a necessary upgrade.
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I refuse.
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupda...814638,00.html
This is only the start of things to come and there are more reasons than that. I'm shifting from MS altogether. I have 4 apps that I use that are MS only. I don't believe in 'swiping my credit card' every time I boot XP and versions thereafter.
Although retail versions of Office XP won't expire, the volume licensed versions DO EXPIRE. I've installed several locations with the MOLP eopen.microsoft.com mumbo jumbo and you WILL have to reactivate in 2 years.
Windows XP is a very stable OS. I like the stability of it. The final version does boot quicker than Win98, ME, and Win2000 on the same hardware. It seems to be the OS that NT4.0 said it was.
Microsoft is a company that offers 'Feature Rich' applications and operating systems. A 'Feature' I don't like is the subscription feature. I like Exchange and Outlook. Lotus is the closest product than can compete with all the features that Outlook has. I'm talking about shared calendars, send on behalf, meeting requests, Public folders, multiple web folders under the mailbox, synchronizing offline (Lotus has replication), and the list of features I like and use heavily on Outlook go on and on.
I professionally will support Microsoft Products if people ask me to but personally I won't. Microsoft wants our company to pay more money so we can use their logo on our web sites and business cards. Not worth it. Looks like our open logo spot is going to be sporting a Penguin with a Red Hat.
http://www.geocities.com/godmonstr/XP.html
Above is a link to some XP screenshots.
I like XP, it has some really cool features, such as:
***Ability to copy to CD
***Thumbnail views are nicer
***Better Start button, lists recently used programs
***Found more drivers upon install than 98 or ME did
***The look and feel can be configured
***More stable
***Has built-in firewall
***Sets up a dual boot enviroment upon install, so you can boot to 98/ME or XP
I give XP a "thumbs up"!
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Hi all, good to have this new forum just incase! i have had XP on 1 of my PCs for the last week or so... i like it too for all the reasons that GodMonstr stated and more!
However all i wanted at first was the NT kernal... i tried Win2000 on both my PC's and hated it and it incompatability problems and lockups... it had to go! but now i have XP it is far better by a long shot, i haven't had any headaches with XP at all so far!
i may change my opinion over time, as u know new probs do happen, but so far i simply can't fault it! nice work M$!
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Just my opinions from past experience...and guessing. Post back to let others know if our ideas worked!
With a good backup program u can UNDO (almost) all your mistakes & bad installs etc in Windows!
I really hope that I can resist buying it on release day, I don't need it WinMe works fine, but a part of me wants it but I must resist, I cant give in to Microsoft.
Has anyone got any ideas how I can stop myself from buying it, I figure that if I can resist for the first couple of weeks I may be able to do it.
I suppose I could destroy all my credit cards, or give all my money away to charity, I just dont know HELP............
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Philgo-
Send all your cash to me. I will hold onto it for you and help you avoid temptation.
I'm just that nice https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Xp has a lot going for it... It's very easy to use and setup, you can do some complex stuff easy...
But some of the reasons GodMonstr stated are debatable...
The cd burning ability seems a little slow, It has to make and a load a temporary cache first...
The new start menu give me the willies, ack :P...
And I'm not sure about such a wide spread firewall... I'm sure if its not it will be "hacked" very shortly. Plus It does block outgoing connections, and probaly won't do anything at all to keep MS out...
I do love the way it shows pictures... I wish I could get that in 2k...
Philgo, You know that your are going to get XP so it is just a matter of time! As I said to falcon2000 in another post, you are technically oriented people with a computer focus and have shown it by your numerous posts and contributions. Sure you probably don't need XP, but how are you going to sit idly by and not get into this new forum which is a breath of fresh air after the worn out posts on 98 and ME. You know you can't resist it so don't keep us dangling while you make up your mind! Computer technology is still going to be a major contribution to the future. In five years, one will have forgotten these discussions considering the advancements that will have come about. You are hooked and will be unable to ignore what is coming. XP is just another routine step.
I run four computers with 98SE and ME loaded. No problems whatsoever using a broad range of CURRENT software, specifically compatible with ME for that specific computer. I need another OS like a hole-in-the-head except I am hooked. I use custom assembled computers and start with clean installs; consequently, I miss out on being able to experience the majority of the problems that I see posted. Anyway, congratulating you in advance for going on to XP. Heh...Heh....
So far I have two choices, I give all my dosh to zipulrich or I give in and buy it, decisions..... decisions..
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There is no way I will buy this Operating system. It is overpriced, intrusive, overrated, and the way they try to control what you do with your Hardware should be criminal for a Company to try to get away with. I don't care how big Microsoft is, I can't support this latest crap from them.
That's my take on the matter.
I just come back from a computer fair where XP was on sale for £85.00, I resisted, I gave up smoking once so I'm sure I can give up buying O/S's.
Anyone know if you can get "stop buying O/S's patches" to help me.
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Philgo,
Let's assume you decide to pass on XP, which none of us really need as an essential tool, but it is pouring rain, you have nothing to do so you are reading the posts on this forum. You note the following post, "Help! I was tryng to install XP on a "friend's" 286 computer when my neighbor's dog removed the CD from the drive and ran off with it. I now receive strange error messages, but I failed to record them and now my computer fails to boot. I borrowed another CD ("copy") from another "friend" , but the greed of corporate interests prevent me from using it to recover my system. What can I do?"
At this point, you don't have XP so how are you going to help this innocent victim of monopolistic aggression which threatens to enslave us? No you are doomed like so many others of us. You will either have to join "Software Anonymous" or run out in the rain, swallow your resolve and buy a legal copy of XP. I am confident that I can predict the course you will take. I also believe that even ecrosson will be tempted by this. You all have revealed your true nature by contributing so many posts in the past.
I rest my case.
JSM-1, you have given me a brilliant idea on how to get it for nothing, all I need do is look out for that dog, and exchange the CD for a nice juicy bone.
PS It never rains in England, whoops my nose just got bigger.
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JSM-1; I guess I would have no choice but to go find that dog as it runs around and then snatch the CD from it's mouth. I have a close relative that is in the M$ fold, and has offered to get me a free copy of this XP thing...
I have said NO to even that at this point. It is true, I wish to be of help to as many as I can, but then again, I too have quit smoking, so I know this feeling you allude to, shall also pass for me.
I have to protest this OS as just the WRONG thing for the M$ company to do. They are becoming Big Brother by acting this way, and I will always go against the coercion.
Summon up the willpower guys,, we are the last line of defense, DO NOT FOLD AND CRUMBLE....
Do not buy XP, and cast your opinion with your WALLETS..... That is all Mr. Gates will see anyway.
philgo-ecrosson'
Ok, enough is enough! I was stationed at Greenham-Common AB, near Newbury, one winter ("100 years" ago). I learned what protest is and how rain is truly defined" Of course, ecrosson knows something about rain, being in Seattle! Anyway, if either of you crack under the strain and buy XP, please post so I can toast you with an adult beverage and get the last laugh. Look for that dog!
I'm not a big upgrader. I waited until this summer to buy Win98 SE. I had to cause Microsoft was putting out programs that wouldn't work on Win95.
My advice on WinXP is don't buy it when it's released; it will be buggy as he**. Wait till their service pack or 2nd edition is released with updates and patches installed.
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Philgo,
I've had Windows xp for a about a week and windows 98 booting on the same partition with a menu that lets me pick what I want to load. Windows xp as Default. I would recommend Windows Xp Professional. I'm saying professional because from what i've heard, Home edition has lots of Faults.
I agree with GodMonstr, LotusAstra and everyone else who gives it a thumbs up https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
The problems i've had with it are drivers for:
Creative Sound Blaster 16 ISA Slot does not PNP auto detect, so I had to config it myself including the game port. (I guess Creative won't release drivers for this till XP is out world wide)
Hewlett Packard Deskjet 400 installs with the drivers but when it comes to printing it keeps asking for the printer cartage.(Prints in win 98 just fine)
Can't get direct CD for easy cd creator to work (downloading Xp version of it as I type this)
So Philgo I say Windows XP Professional is the best Microsoft operating system ever, it's just a pitty that they decided to ditch MS-DOS. MS-DOS and printing are the only reasons i've kept Windows 98.
If HP fix my printing problems and I find a way to get DOS without needing to keep Windows 98, I'd be happy then because I could get my much needed hard drive space back https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Thanks everyone for your input, the biggest problem I have is not how it works because I am sure that it's a little improved over ME/98, its just that WPA malarky that I'm concerned about. I just like to play too much, and I can't be doing with letting Microsoft knowing what hardware I have in my machine. I'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
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So, it sounds like the general consensus is that it is the thing to buy after all.... huh...
You guys are pushovers.... I thought there would be some support on the side of not buying because of the WPA, and the fact that it is an intrusion of personal freedoms, and privacy....
WHERE IS THE SUPPORT ??????????????
Sorry, ecrosson, but WPA just isn't that big of a deal. Does it irk me a bit? Sure. But it's really no more than an attempt to keep honest people honest. I see both sides. But Microsoft's arguement for WPA is stronger than the arguements against it. especially since most of those whining about it don't even understand how it works. So they make up grand conspiracy theories about how Microsoft will use it to pilfer your bank accounts and brainwash your dog.
Product Activiation isn't the problem. It's the fact that so many companies now find it necessary that is the problem.
I would have to agree with OLEerror. I'm not a big fan of MS, but they do have a right to protect their products from piracy. If your bothered by it so much, download Linux.
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Life: the biggest WAN you'll ever deal with!
But do they have the right to interogate our machines to see what hardware we have, I think not.
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Just think of not being able to get through on the phone, when you install a few new peripherals and then you have to go to Microsoft and ask them nicely if it is alright to reinstall the OS.
I don't care what you guys say, WPA is bunk. I have a very good understanding of how the OS works. That is the reason I'm so up in arms about it.
I have the chance to get several free copies, and even the Corporate version, and ALL for free, so the acquisition is not an issue either. I believe it is wrong to have to ask a company for permission to use something you have purchased from them. I also think it is wrong for ANY company to tell you basically that you need to ask them if you can change your own private hardware.
To say, it is no big deal is like putting your head in the sand as far as I see it.
To say it keeps honest people honest is a crock. If you are honest, you will do so regardless of the opportunities placed in front of you.
This whole thing is so wrong. It is just one more chip away at our private, and personal freedoms. Give this small part away, and what will you say when they take the next larger part away from you, JUST GRIN, and say, Oh, it's no BIG DEAL.
Don't support it, and it can't take you away.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it....
I'm with you E I am not buying this O.S. I would not even install it if I could get a legal free copy.....I am totally against WPA.....M$ does not need to know what I have inside my computer. I am a tweaker and like to upgrade very often and I will not call 1-800-I-want-your-money to reactivate the product if I add more memory or change a video card.(more likely major upgrades will be the only things affected but I stil am not giving in on this until WPA goes away.
look,
XP is NOT good for you if you are using win2K for a long time and still arent bored of it.
Its a fancy frilly layer built up over the W2K and with some utilitilies (like the cd burner and the nice restore and the firewall)
and coupla nice polite messageboxes that make you think "wow, is that windows i am running or what?".
But if u are using an OS below W2K, u have GOT TO take this one very seriously.
I have the eval version and am just step away from activating it. Hey ! pssst. people tell me u dont necessarily have to buy it.. well i mean if u are using it at home only... the corporate professional edition does not require activation!!!!
good luck
God Bless
TO_raptor
Please GUYS !!!
before u think XP can leave u high and dry during hardware issues.
XP professional CORPORATE as of date does NOT require talking to a sales agent or online activation or anything. imagine it to be XP but without that activation bull. no hardware key algo. No nags. nothing. plain full OS called XP pro corp.
just for those who did not know. sorry to the offended ones.
TO_raptor
it's worth it
trust me
it's excellent
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How do you get the "Corporate" version? Do you have to work for MS or affiliate? I have an evaluation copy, but I don't really want to install something that will die in 60 days. I want to evaluate it more in the long term.
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Tim
The only way to get a "Corporate Edition" is to be part of the Rapid Adoption Program or be a large company. The only reason you dont have to call them up with activation is because you bought a ton of licenses for over 100K.
I just bought a HP Pavillion Laptop with XP Home Edition pre-installed. Though I have only had it since yesterday, I am so far satisfied with the os. To my suprise, XP has not wanted to phone home. It says in the manual that I would need to activate it when I first started my pc. If not, I would be reminded. There was no mention of product activation during the setup process. Nor have there been any reminders.
So now, I have every os from M$. I must say that my favorite is still and always will be Windows2k Server. Followed by 98 with ME and XP catching up quick. I think XP may be able to take the place of 98 on this machine some day. I like the security options as well as the look and fell of XP. And I am sure, the more that I use it, the more it will grow on me. As long as it doesn't phone home!
Like or leave it? I am afraid that anyone wanting a new pc without XP is running out of time. By the end of the month, XP will be in most every new machine. So, if you want a new PC with ME, you need to go to the bank and then go to the store.
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I have beta tested XP for MS for over a year now and have beta tested all there OS's, this is the first one that has given me no problem's at all threw the entire beta test and while it's in early beta you expect problems but none occurred, Its the best windows yet.
It dont compare to Win9x at all..
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If you change the Fisher Price Interface to classic windows its great, almost everything is done by wizards, has not crashed yet.
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If you cant fix it with duct tape, THROW IT OUT!
Just do like I do-Wait for the next release, probably in 2 years. I'm on WIN98-stable, but I'm a protagonist. I'll get around to getting it tomorrow. Bill Gates will have to wait till his next release to get my money. Or, maybe the release after that.
I am not a big fan of piracy either, but if M$ and Mr. Gates have gotten to be as big and as rich as they are with all the piracy that has been going on over the years, just think how big and rich they are going to be with no piracy.
They will be able to buy you, me, and the entire U.S.A., then change the name to the United States of Micro$oft.
Have a good day.
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"Be extra good or I may not come see you next year."
I've also have had XP about 8 months now and I am currantly running the Gold final release version. I have yet to run into any major problems what so ever. I honestly think that microsoft has finally put out a damn fine O/S, and think if you guys decide to wait your going to miss out.
What I dont understand is the amount of people quick to jump the gun putting the O/S down, and microsoft for that matter.
I have installed XP pro. on all 6 boxes at home and love it, never will go back to to win 2k (which I thought I loved) or the dreaded win 9x family. But who the he** am I? I'm just some computer tech with nothing better to do with his time https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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If it doesnt work pull the plug and kick it
I'm a failure, I just bought it, JSM-1 you can say I told you so.
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