DestestX 8.0 and bad crashes

I'm steamed at MS cuz I think they got me with DirectX 8.0a.

I took a suggestion from Train and greengoose about buying a GeForce for my new machine. That went beautifully but DirectX 8.0 was also installed and from that point on nothing but trouble.

If I open Explorer and click any folder or file I get:
Explorer caused an invalid page fault in module kernel32.dll at 0167:bff7b992. I can hit details and close 4 or 5 times and then use the folder but hit another and I get the same message.

If I launch IE 5.5 sp2 I get DW15 illegal operation and will be shutdown. It does not shut down on it's own so when I close it myself I get the dreaded IE caused a fatal exception at 0167:Bff9DFFF which now requires a cold boot.

If I launch dxdiag as soon as the window pops open I get DXDIAG caused an invalid page fault in module Kernel32.dll at 0167:bff7b992.

I can close that and use the diagnostics but it crashes in short order testing 3d or anything else.

Not knowing if I have the latest version installed from the Nvidia CD (it's Ver 4.08.00.0400) I downloaded the latest DirectX from MS but when I try to install it the machine goes into invalid page fault, blah blah blah again.

I can use Opera fine which is how I got the downloads but IE and explorer and even using the Start Menu is a lost cause.

I can only assume DetestX.

Anyone, Help!!!!

Win98 with SE updates, IE 5.5 sp2, AMD Thunderbird 1gig, 256 RAM, ASUS with VIA chipset, Nvidia e-geforce2 MX 400 64 MB on board.

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"Finest Kind"

Have you tried running dxdiag (click start then run and type dxdiag).

If you can run that, you can save the info and look for problems. IF you want to post the info here I'll give it a look to see if I spot any problems. Otherwise you want to look at the following:

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Display Devices
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DDI Version: 7 <--should be 8 or greater
Driver Attributes: Final Retail <--not Beta
Driver Date/Size: 11/2/2000 14:08:32 <--Should be within 1 year
Driver Certified: No <--look for another drive if "No"

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Inactive Display Entries in Registry
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If you see anything here, boot into safe mode and delete the entries in Device manager then reboot and reinstall your card. Multiple entries mean trouble!

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"Si tacuisses, philosophus manisses."
If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

Hi, you are not alone!
I had similar problems. Is your card a MX?
They tend to enable 2 monitors. What I did was go to Device Manager, go to Monitors and desable one (Don't remove it!!! Just tick the box that says desable from this hardware profile, and untick the box below.)
Go back to Display properties, go to settings and make sure that the monitor you enabled is the same one that shows in the box. If not, just go back and reverse procedure.
That did it for me. I still have problems such as the options for direct 3D and AGP support desabled while using DXDIAG.
I'm using directX 7.a by the way. And my card is a GeForce 2 MX 100//200 32MB.
If anybody knows what is causing the problem, please help me/us!!! As I type I am downloading directX8....and crossing my fingers, all of them!
sebastian pons

should you need it here's a program that uninstalls directx so you can reinstall an earlier version.
http://www.davecentral.com/projects/directxuninstaller/

Did you try disabling your old video card the one that came with your computer?

And for your errors. Try reinstalling. That helped me.

if you have important files. then use PartitionMagic Download it from Kazaam or Irc if you want.
and partition your drive and backup your stuff.

https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Sup, email me for questions: [email protected]

Thanks for the replys, Miss_U please read my first post about Dxdiag, if I can get anywhere I'll look for your listed entries.

pons, that's interesting. I'll look tonight. I had 7.0a previously without problems so I automatically assumed it was DirectX 8, hmmm.

sarmenb, I completly removed (I think, can't tell these days programs are so intrusive) all my old 3DFX Voodoo drivers and tools but are you suggesting a complete re-install of Win98? If so that will be a last resort. Lets hope it doesn't come to that.

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"Finest Kind"

If you're not sure about removing all the old drivers, go to www.guru3d.com and download the "Detonator Destroyer." It comes with instructions in a text file.
Oops, just re-read your post and you menitioned 3Dfx drivers; the Destroyer works only on Nvidia drivers. It's still a tool worht getting, though.
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"I'm not a real doctor, I just play one on VDr!"

[This message has been edited by Dickster (edited 11-05-2001).]

Hi griffinspc, if I understand you, you suspect you might have old 3dfx drivers or part of drivers in your machine?
To remove them you'll have to go to the registry and do a search for 3dfx and also for glide, I think, you know, presing the old F3 key and deleting ALL mentions. Keep on doing it till the search comes up clean.
The Detonator destroyer will only work for detonetor drivers, or so I'm told.

Any news anybody on my direct 3D and AGP support problems by the way?
sebastian pons

DL the Nvidia 21.88 drivers and install them, after using the Dentonator Destroyer(or manually) to get rid of the old ones. Sometimes when you upgrade DirectX, you find you HAVE to reinstall your video drivers and/or your monitor drivers. I have heard in NG's that the 21.88 drivers seem to be the best overall. I hope you get it going, it's a good card.
PS:"the Nvidia CD (it's Ver 4.08.00.0400)" says its 8a.
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Thanks buffalo for the 8a reference and pons I didn't search at all for glide, completely slipped my mind, what's left of it.

Shortcutted your site Dickster. Lots of info there.

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"Finest Kind"

Do you have the same problems in safe mode?

If you can get to dxdiag in safe mode then it will save you time when you see items you need to remove in your dxdiag file.


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"Si tacuisses, philosophus manisses."
If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

Miss_U, you know I was so frustrated I forgot to try safe mode. Kick me twice. I'll see what I get tonight. Thanks.

Dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, kick - dumb, is that enough?

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"Finest Kind"

So, griffinspc, did you get it solved?

If you do, could you post back in the same thread? I'll be monitoring it and maybe I'll be able to fix my problem? also others will find it useful, I'm sure
sebastian pons

Hi
I would suggest to copy driver install files to hard disk before you do a cleanup in SAFE mode.

still in SAFE mode
in device manager, you may see several display cards and monitors.
when you have doubles, remove all.

I 'spose your hiny will forgive the head https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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I think we forgot to ask you a question...

Besides, it's only free advice...
Kind regards, Jaak

Sorry pons, duty (work) called and I haven't had a chance to even turn it on. I certainly will post back probably tomorrow.

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"Finest Kind"

Miss_U and all, edited to relevant listings dxdiag print:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 11/6/2001, 17:45:37
Machine name: GRIFFINA
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 98 (4.10, Build 2222) A
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer:
System Model:
BIOS:
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor, MMX, 3DNow, ~1016MHz
Memory: 256MB RAM
Page File: 33MB used, 918MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 8.0 (4.08.00.0400)
DX Setup Parameters: /PackageInstall
DxDiag Version: 4.08.00.0400

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nvdisp.drv is uncertified, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs. You may be able to get a certified driver from the manufacturer of the hardware device.
Sound Tab 1: The file SBPCI.VXD is uncertified, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs. You may be able to get a certified driver from the manufacturer of the hardware device.
Music Tab: No DirectMusic ports were found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type:
DAC type:
Device ID: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0110&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_B2\000800
Display Memory: 63.5 MB
Current Mode: 800 x 600 (16 bit)(75Hz)
Monitor: tor1
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: nvdisp.drv
Driver Version: 4.13.01.2183 (English)
DDI Version: 8 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 9/14/2001 16:52:00, 106976 bytes
Driver Certified: No
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: *vdd
Mini VDD: nvmini.vxd
Mini VDD Date: , 0 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4250-11CF-376B-012010C2C935}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0110
SubSys ID: 0x00000000
Revision ID: 0x00B2
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result:
D3D Test Result:
AGP Test Result:

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Inactive Display Entries in Registry
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None

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Inactive Sound Entries in Registry
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Card name: Creative SB AudioPCI 128 (WDM)
Driver: wdmaud.drv
Card name: Creative Sound Blaster PCI128
Driver: sbpci9x.drv
Card name: PCtel Serial Wave Device
Driver: serwvdrv.drv
Card name: PCtel Serial Wave Device
Driver: serwvdrv.drv

Had a minute so I installed latest 4 in 1 Via, latest Nvidia drivers and checked everything out again. No luck.

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"Finest Kind"

^bumper^

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"Finest Kind"

The DXdiag looks good related to your video drivers and settings. I know the problem is related to video, but you might want to clean up the inactive sound card entries found at the bottom of the dxdiag file (just as a precaution).

Start the computer in safe mode then go to the sound tab and remove any inactive or duplicate entries.

Now, restart and go back to device manager for the next step (review irq settings for conflict). In device manager, dobule click on My computer then make sure the dot is in IRQ. Scroll down the list to find your video card and see if any other moveable items (ie modem, sound card) share an IRQ with the video card.

For example, on my computer the network and sound card share an IRQ. Usually this is okay, but if I experienced hardware problems, I would 1) uninstall one of the card in Windows, pull it out of the computer and move it to a different slot to see if the IRQ sharing goes away.

Someone once told me it is best if your cards alternate spaces.

Meanwhile, I was trying to find a link provided in other topics that had a list of Fatal exception codes and their meanings. Anyone remember that link?

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"Si tacuisses, philosophus manisses."
If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.

Worked all weekend and here's the answer (I Think):
The solution turned out to be a combination of DirectX 8 and Media Player 7.1.

It may just be Media Player and not 8 but I want to run for awhile before I try to re-install 8. I uninstalled it and replaced it with X7 but also rid myself of Media Player when it was apparent that that was not the sole solution and Media Player 7.1 was installed at the same time.

Curiously when I un-installed Media 7.1, the old 6.4 immediately became active again which I had thought was overwritten. I took the old Goodtime.mpg file from MS Win95 and played it with 6.4 on my wife's machine, full screen, no problems. Then I installed 7.1 and played it and it skipped and distorted the image and audio match up.

I uninstalled 7.1, 6.4 reappeared and played the file perfectly.

If you have problems as I had you may want to check into Media 7.1 as the culprit. As I said I want to run a little while then re-install DirectX 8 without 7.1 and see what happens.

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"Finest Kind"

Go into your bios and go to advanced chipset features. See if video ram cachable is enabled. If it is disable it, save settings, and reboot. See if that helps. If a program writes to that memory area it will cause crashes. Also make sure memory hole is disabled.

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1.1 Athlon clocked to 1232mhz, 512 mb pc133,GeForceII 350 mhz. RAMDAC AGP video,DVD,Zip,6 port internal usb hub, TV capture,7200 rpm EIDE HD, etc. etc. etc.

For what it's worth, DirectX 8.1 was officially released by MS this weekend:
http://www.microsoft.com/directx/hom...ds/default.asp

It may solve your problem.



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ASUS A7V + 1.4ghz Athlon t-bird ,Swiftech MC462a, 512mb (generic) pc133 @143mhz(2-2-2), IBM 75GXP, ASUS Geforce2 GTS, SB-Live5.1,12x10x32 Plexwriter,16x40x Pioneer DVD, Cable, Win98SE

Thanks BadBrain1, doesn't it just frost your ass that MS releases this with the exact same,

Quote:

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This latest version of DirectX offers updated graphics, faster frame rates, and support for massively multiplayer games. It also offers more immersive audio when running and displaying programs rich in multimedia elements such as full-color graphics, video, 3-D animation, and surround sound. If you had an earlier version of DirectX installed on your system, you will see little difference in available space on your hard drive following the installation.

DirectX 8.1 will overwrite any earlier versions. DirectX 8.1 provides the latest update to the DirectX technology. DirectX 8.1 will ensure trouble-free installation and includes the latest USB game controller updates in addition to the features provided by DirectX 8.0.

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statement as 7, 7.0a, 8, 8.0a and now 8.1.

No message of the problems being corrected or the actual improvements. Geeeeze!

I think, as I said before, I'll run with 7.0a for awhile until I'm sure I'm stable then try this one.

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"Finest Kind"