Is this a compatible combo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115225
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121361
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314
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That motherboard would not be my favorite, although INtel boards are OK.
The CPU is fine. The board supports triple channel memory, so you might want to consider that instead. Also, I'd download the manual for the board to verify that it supports 8GB DIMMs.
Why is this CPU cost more than the CPU I posted in the last post?
This one is a 1156 socket while the other one is a 1366.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116368
I did a comparison and noticed beside the Bloomfield vs LynnField, the Thermal Design Power 130W vs 95W.
How important is the Thermal Design Power?
Which one would you pick?
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Buying Triple Channel cost so much right now. What is Triple Channel? BTW... Why did you not like the board? Is it the brand or something with the specs?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdc2000
Heat is never a friend to computer components.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon Speed
All else being equal the lower the TDP, the better.
Triple-channel architecture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-...l_architecture
95W is cheaper to operate and cooler.
Intel would be quite low on my list of choices for a motherboard - they never seem to perform very well, and are usually expensive and light on features. Gigabyte and Asus are my favourite brands. I would also be happy with MSI and Foxconn.
What do you plan on using the computer for, mainly?
This is the part I needed. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Shinma
Thanks for letting me know about the 95W is cheaper to operate. I still don't understand about the channel because I did run into that article already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Train
Video Editing. Can you pick a motherboard for me Nick that is 1156 socket. I am going with 1156 socket basing from Shinma and Train information? All 1366 socket are Bloomfield and all Bloomfield are 130w. Although Bloomfield is supposed to be easier to Overclock, but I don't plan to do that anymore. So if you could pick one from ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and FOX and categorized your liking, I would really appreciate it. Also, the memory that goes with it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
My final system will be Windows 7 64 bit with about 8gb of ram, no SLI or CrossFire.
The best I can find.
Even with a mighty i7 under the hood you'd only gain 2-6% in performance
by running the memory in triple-channel mode."
But with today's setups, that would be about a minute on a large video.
May help out.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...g-i7,2325.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rade,2264.html
Interesting facts Train that you posted.
What does this mean from the article? http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...g-i7,2325.html
"increasing cache capacities helps soften the impact of insufficient memory bandwidth."
Is that overclocking?
Also, in the article said that i7 needs to be coupled with Triple channel. Is that true? Triple channel memory is expensive right now.
"Core i7, it has to be triple-channel memory"
Maybe a setting needed in BIOS to enable the triple, but that is just a guess right now on my part.
Quote:
"increasing cache capacities helps soften the impact of insufficient memory bandwidth."
No that is not overclocking.
But it does keep us from having to set a 5 to 15 GB partiton for the virtual memory when dealing with video like we once had to.
SS already listed the things I don't like about Intel motherboards.
If you want lower power consumption and an LGA 1366 socket motherboard, you could use a Xeon processor instead of an i7 desktop processor. No overclocking with those however.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819117234
JDC, there has to be a catch for lower power consumption rate for the XEON. Otherwise, why would people not jump on saving energy?
No overclocking on the Xeon processors, and the are usually more expensive for the same CPU clock rate. They allow ECC memory to be used, and can be used in dual socket motherboards, unlike the standard LGA 1366 i7 processors.
I don't tend to overclock anymore unless 5 years from now. ECC Memory? Is it good for gaming?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdc2000
ECC memory is error correcting memory.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=...804d37b84b33a1
Would you recommend using Xeon then JDC? I am using for Video Editing and Gaming. Sorry for the 20/20 questions.
Xeons are usually used in servers, and are quite a bit more expensive than the equivalent Core series for the same kind of performance. And ECC memory is also really for servers, where data integrity is all important. It's performance is worse than standard RAM, and it's also more expensive
Video editing is one of those tasks where you just might benefit from a socket 1366 CPU and triple-channel memory. I have a 136 Core i7 rig myself, and it certainly is a speedy bast :) Unfortunately, though, the cost of memory has increased a lot since I built mine at the end of last year.
A triple-channel 6GB kit of the same RAM as I have is $180:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145250
That really depends on your budget. If you can get an LGA 1366 motherboard, Xeon CPU (5600 series), and memory for a price you like, that is what I would go for. An LGA 1156 system would probably work just as well, unless you really want something super fast.
Does triple channel means that you have to have 3 sticks inorder for it to power up, similar to dual channel require 2 sticks. It is not the cost of the triple channel only but the power consumption for a 1366 is a Bloomfield which is 130w. That is not energy conserve for me. When I put in my Q6600, I thought 105w was too much already. Too bad they don't have Lynnfield for 1366 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
You wouldn't need 3 DIMMs to power up, but you need 3 matching DIMMs to take advantage of the triple channel feature.
http://www.ninjalane.com/articles/ge...on/dualvtriple
Yes, as JDC says, you only need the 3 sticks to gt the best performance - it ill power up with a single stick.
It is true that S1156 CPUs are a bit more energy efficient than S1366. However, the 40 Watt difference between the two is only when they are both maxed out. Under normal usage the difference in power consumption is a great deal less, and I don't think it should be a huge consideration.
FWIW, I have my S1366 beast of a rig, and also a S1156 Core i3 Home Theatre PC. Although the Core i3 is commendably frugal (only 21 Watts at idle for the whole rig :) ), I notice that it has to work much harder just to run Win 7 - a lot of the time it i around 33% CPU in Task Manager. My i7-920 spends most of its day at 0% CPU. I suspect that there would be comparatively little to choose between the power used when you factor in that sort of thing.
Very good information.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
If you can swing it, get MaximumPC magazine for Sept. Then read "Dream Machine 2010"
Yalk about over kill. . . .
Wikipedia: TDP (Thermal Design Power / Thermal Design Point)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power
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The TDP is typically not the most power the chip could ever draw, such as by a power virus, but rather the maximum power that it would draw when running real applications. This ensures the computer will be able to handle essentially all applications without exceeding its thermal envelope, or requiring a cooling system for the maximum theoretical power, which would cost more but in favor of extra headroom for processing power.
In some cases the TDP has been under-estimated and that in real applications (typically strenuous, such as video encoding or games) the CPU has exceeded the TDP. In this case, the CPU will either cause a system failure (a "therm-trip") or throttle its speed down[1]. Most modern CPUs will only cause a therm-trip on a catastrophic cooling failure such as a stuck fan or a loose heatsink.
Since safety margins and the definition of what constitutes a real application vary between manufacturers, TDP values between different manufacturers cannot be accurately compared. While a processor with a TDP of 100 W will almost certainly use more power at full load than a processor with a 10 W TDP, it may or may not use more power than a processor from a different manufacturer that has a 90 W TDP. Additionally, TDPs are often specified for families of processors, with the low-end models usually using significantly less power than those at the high end of the family.
Thanks Train and Spy.
Hey Nick, since you played with lots of board, which board loads quickest from BIOS to Windows? Is Foxconn and Asus load faster than Gigabyte? I had an Asus board before and it loads up to Windows pretty quick but that board was back in 2001.
I think Steve is a big Foxconn fan so I will ask him.
Also, what does it mean when there is an O.C. next to the display in NewEgg? Does it mean to Overclock to get to this speed?
"DDR3 2000(O.C.)*/1866(O.C.)*/1800(O.C.)*/1600(O.C.)/1333/1066"
My last Gigabyte board took about 15-20 seconds before it reaches Windows. Once Windows begin to load, it takes only 3 seconds to get to my desktop since I have a pair of RAID 0 SSD on TRIM.
The O.C. listings on NewEgg means overclocked. On boot times, the more features the motherboard, the more BIOS checks are likely, increasing boot times. You can probably turn off some of the checks, but I don't do that. 15 to 20 seconds is not too bad for BIOS boot time. I have had systems with a decent motherboard feature set and 7200 rpm HDs take 30 seconds to boot into Windows.
One to two minutes os my normal boot time.
I go get a cup of coffee, that way i am ready when it finishes.
OK, thanks guys. I guess I was being a big baby.:p
As for the O.C., I am still not too cleared. For example, DDR3 2000(O.C.)*, does that mean it takes DDR3 2000 but needs to be overclocked or I can put DDR3 1600 and overclock up that memory up to DDR3.
Triple Channel Memory is still way too expensive. It is like $500 for 12gb. So I am thinking of buying one stick of 4gb DDR3 1333 Dual Channel for the time being until Triple Channel goes down. What do you think?
If I was to buy one DIMM now and when I am ready to buy the other two DIMMs later, can they be different brands but same specs such as latency and speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdc2000
Also, you said that Xeon chips cannot be overclocked. I did some researched and I see some reviews from that newegg post of the xeon CPU that you posted. Some of the reviews talked about overclocking a xeon CPU. I know Nick is not for Server CPU using as Desktop CPU but I am doing some research in your recommendation. Most likely, I am not going to overclock anything but I still would like to know the full capabilities when 5 years from now, I feel like experiementing again.:D
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There is no such thing as DDR3 200, it is probably 1600 OC'd to 2000. I have DDR3 1333 in my i7 rig, though the mobo runs it at DDR3 1066 on a standard clock. But because I have overclocked mine a bit it is reported as DDR3 1200.
I wouldn't bother with a 12giog kit unless you are heavily into virtualisation, as I am. If I am not running a VM, then 80% of my 12 GB is going unused, and for most folk a 6 gig kit would be more than sufficient. That would cost you somewhere around $180 at current prices.
You can mix and match brands, but I wouldn't advise it unless you really have to. The whole point of buying a kit is that they match the modules up so that you can be sure you are getting the ultimate performance from then RAM.
Mixing ram like that can yield.
1. Will not boot
2. Cause all kinds of hair pulling errors.
3. Works like we want it to.
To quote SS.
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The whole point of buying a kit is that they match the modules up so that you can be sure you are getting the ultimate performance from that RAM.
Now when I upgrade a computer's ram, I will replace whatever is on board with a kit as I do not feel like fighting problems.
You might be able to overclock the memory, but usually you overclock the CPU and then use appropriate memory. Xeon CPUs have been overclocked, but in server applications they usually aren't. They aren't normally designed to be overclocked.
What do you mean DDR3 200? I just got into Overclocking about 6 months ago. I noticed the same thing too where I would install DDR2 1066 but it runs at like 1000 or 800.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
Actually, I do heavy virtualization too. I know you are a programmer too and you are probably using Virtual Server, Virtual PC or VMWare. You should check out VirtualBox. Although I am a Microsoft shop but I compared VirtualBox and VirtualPC, VirtualBox is much better in speed. Just my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
Thanks for clearing this but I think I will take Train's advice. Therefore, I am only going to buy 1 DIMM of 4gb. Good cost effective idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
Thanks JDC2000. I made up my mind basing from SuperSpark's advice about don't worry so much on the max thermal design.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdc2000
I am going to get this one.
Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
$289.99
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I need to find a 4gb memory module. Could you recommend one that is descent? I am more into cost effective so if there is a 6gb kit that is cheaper, I would take that too.
I will be getting a Gigabyte board again since you and Train said that the boot time from BIOS to Windows is normal from 1 to 2 minutes. I don't know what happened to the last Gigabyte board but I am going to give it a try again because it could have been my fault for overloading the rails.
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Decide which Gigabyte board you are getting, then download the manual for it. Check the list of supported memory modules, if there is one, and post that here. If there is no supported memory list, post the motherboard model.
Sorry, that is my pesky keyboard, which likes to miss out keystrokes :( I meant DDR3 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon Speed
These are 3 boards from Gigabyte that support the 1366 sockets. They are so similar that I am not sure which on to pick. But lets say basing from the first one, which memory would you pick and show me how to pick it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdc2000
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Gigabyte
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128423
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128422
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128413
There are several ways to pick memory. I usually download the motherboard manual so I can check the approved memory list first. You can also visit the web sites for Crucial, Kingston, and Corsair, and enter the motherboard manufacturer and model for recommendations. You won't always get the best price from those sites, so you can also check NewEgg.com and go to their desktop memory page. Click on the Advances search option. Select the type (DDR3), and speed you want, and then you can see the cost for the various DIMM sizes. You can also select a triple channel kit if you want. Then, check the number of reviews and the ratings.
6GB DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145220
CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9 - $145
Greatly appreciated that you did this and thank you for the tips.:cool:
I have a very similar mobo to those 3 (X58-UD4P), and I'm using Corsair XMS3. It works flawlessly :)