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System Resources!!
It's me again Folks with another Question for you,Hope you can help.
I have 2 HD,1st is 8.04Gb (C) 2nd is 20Gb (D&E)256Mb Ram. System Resources on (E).
Drive (E)has 9319Mb free,Virtual Mem is--Min500,Max500. I am designing my own Web Site & so far have done 5 pages of general with graphics etc.,2 photo albums with 1st one has 30 thumbs and 30 pages of large photos,2nd album only 25thumbs so far.
When I try to veiw my pages as if I was on the net it crashes. Only been doing this since today. System Resources drops to between 10% & 3% for some reason. Lots of progs have been disabled in start up,& I close progs in taskbar before starting.
Why is this when I have 256Mg of memory.
Should I up the number in Min&Max or is 500 in both high enough.
Program I am useing is by Serif--Web Artist 1.0 (Web Studio 1.0). I still have lots of pages to do with lots of Photos to go in.
Only started to crash since doing the last Photo Album with 25 thumbnails in it.
Don't want to use another program cause I'll have to start from scratch all over again.
Taken me 3 months to get this far. Can't do HTML I'm afraid,too thick this way.Hence the above Prog.,
Over to you Brainy Ones then with an Answer I hope!!!!
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Did you take out a program you don't normaly take out in startup? Dropping 10% in resources is not bad. Something is running and the more that runs at the same time the lower the resources go. I have run at 40% with no problem. Did your computer slow down noticeably? Is the mouse jerky. Do you delete your temps, scandisk, and defrag on a regular baisis? How's your room temp? Lots of things can cause what you are describing. Try and remember if something was done differently. Just some ideas to get you started.
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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 04-22-2001).]
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Free up Conventional Memory http://www.geocities.com/thegorx/Windows/Help/Cmem.htm
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http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/resources1.html
Windows Resources vs. Memory
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http://windows.about.com/compute/win.../aa081100a.htm
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http://www.langa.com/newsletters/2000/2000-06-08.htm
More Resource Leak-Tweaks
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http://www.pcforrest.freeserve.co.uk/resources.htm
System Resources
GDI and User Resources explained
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Conventional memory has nothing to do with resources, so you can ignore that link.
The others explain resources well and how to increase them at boot time.
The swapfile should not be affecting the resources BUT, you should take the MAXimum off of the swapfile setting. There is nothing to be gained by constraining it, and since you are dealing with graphics, this may save you out of memory situations or other hangs.
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Hi greengoose, Yes I regularly Defrag,Scandisk,& delete Temp files,Temp Internet Files etc., That's done every other day.I use Nortons + Cleansweep to do all this for me. It is done this way because I delete and load lots of pages and I scan my Negs & Slides for my Photography Projects. So lots of photos go in and lots get deleated.
Hi Jmatt, Those Links were great,Thanks.
Read them all,very educational.
Think I'll put my 'Cacheman Prog' back in as it looks as if I need it for this Web Artist.
It seems that the more pages I add the more cach the Prog needs. Not going anywhere near my Reg Files, last time I did that I ended up phoneing my m8 to sort it all out for me. Reg Files terrify me. LOL
Hi WhitPhil, Thanks for your Info as well.
It is all appreciated this way. Some things I can do easily & others that sound simple to most, are damn hard to me.
No one mentions what figure to put in the Min & Max, does anyone really know???
Have now uped mine to 950 & 950. I get 80% at start up & 88% when I disable some progs.
But the moment I start my Web Site to add Pages it drops to about 40% then when I click to preveiw it,it takes ages to build the pages then crashes.ctrl+alt+ delt shows only 3% resources left. What a hungry program. I use Win 98, my m8 says use WinMe if I'm puting lots of photos in my Web as it's better at manageing resources. Don't like WinMe as I find it more buggy than 98.
Perhaps I should upgrade my Prossesor from a 350Mhz to an 800Mhz if my P11 will take a 800.That should solve most I think. Or am I wrong!!!
Anyway, Thanks Very Much for the Help you have all given me.
Take Care,yours,Dennis.
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You say "crash". Do you mean the PC crashes or the program crashes? If so, what errors are you seeing?
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Do you mean the PC or the program "hangs"?
Re the swapfile. This has nothing to do with system resources. AND, the hang/crashes "may" not have anything to do with system resources. Although, 3% is getting a little low.
Also, as I said above, do NOT place a max on the swapfile, no matter how large you make it. You are only asking for potential trouble.
To see how much is being used, you can run SYSMON.
As for cacheman. I think if use it, you will bring windows to it's knees while it is doing graphics work. Fred Langa, for some reason, mixed it into his Resource articles and vcache, like ram, has nothing to do with System Resources.
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Okay one little correction . does it drop all the way down to 3%-10% or it just drops from 80% , 10%down to 70% ?
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[This message has been edited by HomerJSimpson (edited 04-22-2001).]
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Hi WhitPhil, The Program crashes when I try to Preveiw my Site to see if all graphics etc., are working. So I check the Performance to see what it is and it shows 3% left and tells me to save imediatly. Of course you can't save anyway as there is not Enough Resources left to do so. So I then have to Quit through the Ctrl+Alt+Delt.
When I Investigated Properties-Performance-Virtual Memory I had a look to see what Windows would give me,it gives me 0(zero Min)
and Max C Drive 6Gbs So I then did my own & changed the Min to 1000 & the Max changed itself to 9319Mbs so I changed that to 1000 as well because I was told in the past that both should be the same size.
I will change it after to Min 1000 & Max zero & hope my machine starts up.
Its a bit confuseing when one mentions Cache-Swap files-Conventional Memory etc., I thought they were all the same thing.
I won't put Cachman in then,but it seamed to work well before.
I have got the Resource Metere running at moo. But this Prob only happens in this Web Site Program. Perhaps I'm putting in too many pages & Photos. Uped my Memory to compensate as I thought that best thing to do.From 128Megs to 256Megs. Still this is a good way to learn about Computers if even a bit frustrateing at times.
Hi HomerJSimpson, When Prog,starts its fine. Anything from 70% to 50% no probs adding pages or Photos. I did an Extra page on Sat., night of some Graphics and 25 or 26 Thumbnails of Photos all nice & jazzy along with Links etc., I pressed the Key for it to Preveiw the Site so I can see if all is working, Links & pages & photos, when it stoped with an error and would not work. I could move the Curser thats all. And then did as explained above. 3% left.
I save this Site in a Folder on my Desktop,C Drive, but also save as to my E Drive incase C Drive bellys up. But did not save Sat Nights added pages to my E Drive and that loads OK. God I can go all day and Night in PSP7 & PhotoShop5.5 (& they are hungry progs)
And no problems.Perhaps this Web Artist 1.0 is crap.Time to buy the next version up which is better so they say.
I've Waffled on enough. So over to you Folks.
And THANKS for the HELP. It's Appreciated.
yours DENNIS
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Hi WhitPhil, The Program crashes when I try to Preveiw my Site to see if all graphics etc., are working. So I check the Performance to see what it is and it shows 3% left and tells me to save imediatly. Of course you can't save anyway as there is not Enough Resources left to do so. So I then have to Quit through the Ctrl+Alt+Delt.
When I Investigated Properties-Performance-Virtual Memory I had a look to see what Windows would give me,it gives me 0(zero Min)
and Max C Drive 6Gbs So I then did my own & changed the Min to 1000 & the Max changed itself to 9319Mbs so I changed that to 1000 as well because I was told in the past that both should be the same size.
I will change it after to Min 1000 & Max zero & hope my machine starts up.
Its a bit confuseing when one mentions Cache-Swap files-Conventional Memory etc., I thought they were all the same thing.
I won't put Cachman in then,but it seamed to work well before.
I have got the Resource Metere running at moo. But this Prob only happens in this Web Site Program. Perhaps I'm putting in too many pages & Photos. Uped my Memory to compensate as I thought that best thing to do.From 128Megs to 256Megs. Still this is a good way to learn about Computers if even a bit frustrateing at times.
Hi HomerJSimpson, When Prog,starts its fine. Anything from 70% to 50% no probs adding pages or Photos. I did an Extra page on Sat., night of some Graphics and 25 or 26 Thumbnails of Photos all nice & jazzy along with Links etc., I pressed the Key for it to Preveiw the Site so I can see if all is working, Links & pages & photos, when it stoped with an error and would not work. I could move the Curser thats all. And then did as explained above. 3% left.
I save this Site in a Folder on my Desktop,C Drive, but also save as to my E Drive incase C Drive bellys up. But did not save Sat Nights added pages to my E Drive and that loads OK. God I can go all day and Night in PSP7 & PhotoShop5.5 (& they are hungry progs)
And no problems.Perhaps this Web Artist 1.0 is crap.Time to buy the next version up which is better so they say.
I've Waffled on enough. So over to you Folks.
And THANKS for the HELP. It's Appreciated.
yours DENNIS PS This is all in Virtual Memory that I have been doing. These different memorys confuse me. HOPE this dont come up twice.
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The following is from the Sierra (not Serif) support site.
Large Web sites do not open
Unfortunately, it is telling you what you already know, ALTHOUGH, what it doesn't admit to, is any fault in the product contributing to the resource consumption.
If you are starting your PC with resources in the 85-90% range, and the only thing you are running is Web Studio, then the fault is with the program. You are most likely attempting to do things, that it was not designed for.
You can also hit the Sierra message boards and see if anyone there can assist you. http://www.sierra.com/sierrahome/message/
Or try emailing them
[This message has been edited by WhitPhil (edited 04-23-2001).]
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Hi..
graphics files take up a lot of cpu time to process them.
Uploading/downloading from internet or camera. (digital) and the upload sites are usually pretty busy and site loading is not poor but becuase the image may contain too much imaging data. (long story)
mach
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Hi.. graphics files take up a lot of cpu time to process and use memory. typical of multimedia processors and ram memory.. more ram can help more virtual memory can help too.
Uploading/downloading from internet or camera. (digital) and the upload sites (are usually pretty busy) and site loading is not poor but becuase the image may contain too much imaging data. (long story)
mach
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scarcrowdr,
I've never heard of this program. I just cruised Sierra's site, and I can only find one reference to a download for Web Studio 2.0...with no discription.
The tech article Whitphil sites is now giving me an error message about no longer existing. And an attempt at the message board shows them as unavailable.
So, I don't have a clue as to what you are dealing with. A Google search is even less informative...that's not a good sign.
Quite honestly, I'm confused as to why you need a program to view web pages. If you have built the page...and it has an HTML file extension...it'll just run in your browser...as long as the directory structure on your harddrive is set to the same as you would want on your server...the whole site will run fine from your drive...without any help.
On to another matter. Not too long ago, a page that exceeded 55K in size was considered "Heavy". Getting a bit too big to keep folks attention while it loaded. I routinely write pages in the 150K range, and I am critized for that.
My point is that pages, or sites, will run lickety split off your drive, no matter what the size...but they may take too long to load once they are running from the server.
I'm assuming you are using the thumbnails as linked images to the full size parents, so that they are managable. That is the correct technique, however you have probably rarely seen a page with 30 thumbnails...they just take too long to load.
Please understand, I know how much time and effort it takes to get that monster working. But, you need to be prepared for the reality of running it from the server.
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to: scarecrowdr
if i were u i would stop messin around with the swap file. u say u have 256 megs of ram, so the swap shouldnt really be that big of a deal anyway. unless u r running some autocad or doing some special effects editing for the next starwars episode windows should barely touch the swap with the amount of physical memory u have in your system. also, if u r going to set the min and max values for the swap to the same, then u need to defrag your system immediately after. but all it seems to me that u r doing is taking away precious disk space by setting the swap to such outrageous sizes. despite what someone else said, it is okay to set the values of the swap to the same size, this prevents the swap from constantly resizing itself and slowing down your system, but, once again, u need to defrag immediately after. i think u would be okay with a 50 or 100 meg swap.
anyway, about your whole website mess...i think u should go to www.jasc.com and download an evaluation of paint shop pro or buy it and use that to edit your images with. as for the html editor, the one i use for my sites is netscape composer, it crashes from time to time, but its easy to use. if u have a windows os then u should also, probably, have front page express installed, which is also easy to use, but i dont like it. also, how are u saving your images? jpg, gif, png? if u r using jpeg, then i would recommend saving your images, with a compression ratio of at least 35-40% and using the progressive download method. anything above a 35-40% compression on a jpeg, especially for a photo, makes it look all fuzzy and messed up. if u r making a website that u want other people to actually visit, then file size is definetly something u want to keep in mind. there are still more people in this world using dial up connections than dsl, isdn or cable. the program i use for thumbnails is called HTML thumbnail creator and it is available at www.galleriasoftware.com, it actually just creates a big image map of the selected thumbnails so u only have one file to mess with instead one thumbnail for every full sized pic. if u decide to download it, u might want to mess around with it for a while to get the hang of it. i still find it hard to believe that your resources are taking such a dramatic hit from one single program. perhaps u have a bunch of stuff running in the background that u dont even know about. have u tried hitting ctrl+alt+delete to see what is still loaded in memory before u run your html editor? u can also use the system information program to check which programs load at start up. i only have 96 megs of ram on a PII300mhz and i frequently run yahoo mess, winamp, paint shop pro, outlook express and internet explorer at the same time and stil maintain functionality of my system. (i have my swap set to 192megs/192megs)
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Setting a MAX on the swapfile does not stop resizing. (well, it does, but you really don't want to set it). Setting a reasonable MIN will eliminate resizing 99% of the time. Resizing was a performance issue with Windows 95 but is no longer an issue with Win98.
As well, the defrag should be done PRIOR to messing with the swapfile as well as afterwards.
The before defrag will consoldate free space for the new contiguous area for the file, while the after defrag will pull together all the areas previously in use by the windows managed swap.
The nasty side affect of doing this, is that the swapfile is now being allocated to the bottom of the drive, where all the freespace is. If you have Norton, you should use it to move the swap to the front of the drive.
And, I will repeat, and you really have to try it, there is absolutely no benefit in setting a max on the swapfile.
Quote from MSN Newsgroups by John Sheehy, MCSE.
"If you have a minimum, but no maximum, any expansion of the swapfile beyond the minimum is a sign that you could have better performance by raising the minimum. A maximum set in the same situation would cause unused DLLs and file cache to be flushed from RAM unnecessarily, slowing down the system by forcing more disk actvity when you need those DLLs or files again. It is also a sign that you are about to hit a memory-allocation wall real soon."
[This message has been edited by WhitPhil (edited 04-24-2001).]
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Okay , forget about this graphic program . When you just start your computer , try to open as many applications as possible , open music players , some games ,and keep checking how your resources are droping down .Open Musicmatch Jukebox , it eats 20 % of res , on my comp .If after 10-15 rograms opened , your resources are OK , then problems are with this graphic program .
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