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It seems to me that it would be useful to have some kind of "General computer related topics" subforum for those threads that really do not fit under the heading of any of the other subforums. Those computer related 'odds and ends' kind of threads. Since the 'Lounge' is supposed to be about non computer related topics such threads are not supposed to go there.
Currently these threads are 'homeless'. :(
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You mean like
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Gadgets, Widgets, & Assorted Doohickies (1 Viewing)
Anything that doesn't fit the other categories, post it here. If we know the answer, we'll try our best to help
Not really. That’s about hardware problems. I'm thinking more along the lines of a subforum where you can post links to interesting/strange/funny IT news or write down some computer related observations you feel deserve attention or whatever.
But not specifically geared towards solving some computer problem. Which is of course the main goal of this forum but just one subforum where it doesn't HAVE to be about computer problems won't exactly undermine that goal methinks.
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In the mean time, I moved your "Oops" thread to the Doctor's Lounge.
You can use this lounge for computer-related topics that don't fit elsewhere. If there's something IT related of a whimsical nature you can certainly post it here.
The fact that I wasn't able to really find the right subforum for that one was partly what inspired this thread. Since it was all essentially computer related I felt it also didn't really fit there. So I chose the most general subforum I could find. But an even more general subforum as the one I am suggesting would have been the right place for such a thread.
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But we have since helped you find the right forum;)
The problem with a general subform, is that it will become a catchall. You will end up finding everything and anything in it including threads that really belong elsewhere
Which will then create a lot more work for the moderators to move the threads to the correct forum.
I see no need for VDR to have an "Other" forum.
Linda
That will depend on it's name and the subtext. If for instance you'd call it
"News, thoughts and other computer stuff."
Don't ask for help here.
That's what all the other subforums are for.
You'd have to pretty dense not to understand that you shouldn't post threads asking for help with problems there.
And if it had existed it would have prevented the need to move my other thread so it can have a positive effect in that respect too.
Think positive.
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Can't you figure out a more polite way to speak to people? Closed threads and bursts of temper seem to follow you around, in case you haven't noticed. Besides, we understood long ago the wisdom of your signature.:)Quote:
You'd have to pretty dense not to understand that you shouldn't post threads asking for help with problems there.
And if it had existed it would have prevented the need to move my other thread so it can have a positive effect in that respect too.
Think positive.
If you're referring to your "Trusted Computing". Do we trust IT? thread, then the forum it's in is the appropriate one. That's what that forum is for, tidbits and info of an I.T. nature
Since I'm not 'speaking' to anyone I cannot really be impolite. For that you'd have to address someone. Please don't assume what I am trying to convey but read what I actually say. And I'm just saying that you can make the intended purpose of a particular subforum very clear by describing it very clearly. And IF that for instance would be done in the way of the example I gave then I don't think many people would consider anyone ignoring such a clearly stated purpose of a subforum as being particularly observant.Quote:
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Although I am not in favour of complicating this thread in this way but if you want to bring it up...
The closed thread about the ABIT components was not closed for a good reason IMHO. I was actually accused(!) of Hijacking a thread while I only took the trouble to share my experiences about how a failing northbridge cooler has caused me an immense amount of grief and I wanted to make people aware of the risks inherent to active cooling and point out that it could be a good idea to consider a passive cooling alternative. When a slightly incorrect interpretation of my posting was posted I only felt it necessary to correct that so I posted a second short message that pointed that out and in which I also made explicitly clear why I had posted my contribution in the fist place. On that I wrote:
But that was removed and the thread was closed. I took the trouble to write a nuanced reaction to this in a PM to the moderator involved but got a rather curt reply which largely ignored what I had written. I couldn’t help thinking of the saying that no good deed goes unpunished but decided to let it go.Quote:
I posted my experiences to indicate that there is another option than a northbridge fan and that there may be good reasons to consider this option. Which is not only reserved to ABIT boards of course but my bad experiences with their northbridge coolers made me feel that at least potential buyers of these ABIT coolers should be aware of this.
Less noisy too.
I'd think that such a warning based on personal experience had a very real value for everyone who might have wanted to buy an active chipset cooler as a result of reading that thread. I don't think it was a thread with much potential for response because it just pointed people to a site where they could buy certain components so Hijacking :confused:
Coincidentally just today I read a comment by someone on some other site saying how positive he felt about the trend that hardware manufacturers (apparently) were moving towards fanless systems. If true it is news to me but I shared his enthusiasm for the concept.
And if I ask for help in finding a relatively simple freeware utility I suddenly am accused in a very real impolite way where I was addressed very personally of wanting to steal the bread from a programmers mouth (and I'm paraphrasing it mildly here). As if no one before or since has made a similar request for a freeware program. I didn't think I committed a cardinal sin or some heinous crime in making that request because many others do make similar request so yeah. When someone else who probably hadn't read the thread very well REALLY became insulting I didn't descend to the same level because I just don't do that but I felt that a strong dose of sarcasm was entirely warranted. I wouldn't have taken it any further but that could not have become clear because the thread was closed. I again took the trouble to write to the moderator informing him of my views in the matter and that I simply don’t DO flame wars because I don't stoop to that level and that the reaction I had given was just about the strongest phrased posting I EVER made. And I have made a few thousands. Never resulting in any unpleasantness. Since closing the thread also effectively killed any future responses to my question I also asked how he thought I could best approach that. Unfortunately I didn't get an answer.
And no. I wasn't referring to my thread about Trusted Computing but to my "Oops" thread which I had considered posting in the Lounge but had decided against it because that is supposed not to be about computers. Which I think is a good idea because there is more in life than computers. Which is why I wanted to keep that particular subforum 'computer free' and didn't want to post it there. And which is why I thought it would be a good idea to also have another subforum that is not specifically geared towards solving computer problems but IS about computers.
I only tried to make a suggestion about what I considered could be a small improvement of the forum. Which I thought we are invited to do in a Feedback subforum where we are asked to "Share comments, feedback, etc. about VirtualDr."
So far...... not too inviting I regret to have to say.
A forum like this can only exist because of the voluntary efforts of its participants. That often quite considerable effort should be respected in my opinion. If anything moderators should help to motivate people to put their efforts in giving others the benefit of their experience and knowledge.
And lastly. Regarding the "Wisdom of my signature". It's one of those humorous lines you come across on the internet. I found it and thought it was funny as I am sure most of you do too. I can't really imagine anyone mistaking it as an intention to insult anyone in general or in particular. It's just a bit of humour with a funny line.
Assuming that remark wasn't meant in another way. Because I do see another possible meaning.
Since, as I indicated near the start of this posting, I was/am not in favour of taking this thread in this direction I will leave it at this. Since I know myself and my intentions I felt that the remarks that were so casually made were not justified and required a response.
So if anyone should take this line much further in this thread... I won't.
Let's continue in a more constructive way shall we?
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Making a suggestion concerning the forum is not a problem and it is what this sub forum is for.
I'm sorry you didn't understand what I was referring to. Since your remark was a direct response to Linda Hewitt, it sure seemed you were speaking to her. It's not what was said so much as the way it was said.
JP's right; this forum is for making suggestions.
Ah but I think Dr. Bob did understand what you were talking about lgbpop.Quote:
I'm sorry you didn't understand what I was referring to.
I have seen various posts on this site in the past couple of years aimed at drumming up membership to help resurrect VDR. You should be commended for trying Dr. Bob however I am reminded of a quote that might be an AM original lol (if not I cant find it when I search). :D
"Change nothing and nothing will change"
Hi, I came back here recently looking for the old friendships and comradre that once made this a great forum, Dr Bob you are just late to the party. I remember many great members who offered forum changes as positive suggestions, ironically many of these changes were later implemented, unfortunately most of the greats that proposed them have moved on. Dr Bob I apologize on behalf of all those members for failing you, your suggestion may, or may not merit consideration , however I see NO reason for the response that you have received.There still seems to be a "club" atmosphere around here, and god help them, it is rather an ignorant and poorly informed one.
Sorry you feel that way, Jenae, and I will certainly take closer notice.
That's so nice JPnyc. Jenae, hey dude, how are ya anyway?Quote:
Sorry you feel that way, Jenae, and I will certainly take closer notice.
Hi Ann , thanks for asking I am well and I hope the same finds you.Pity we seem to be involved in forum politics, you are most certainly one of those members that this forum has sadly missed.. take care
Anytime anyone has a complaint or suggestion, they can certainly bring them to me. That's part of what I do here. :)
Good to hear that you are well Jenae :)
And back to the topic: ;)
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Shouldn't there be a "General" subforum?
It seems to me that it would be useful to have some kind of "General computer related topics" subforum for those threads that really do not fit under the heading of any of the other subforums. Those computer related 'odds and ends' kind of threads. Since the 'Lounge' is supposed to be about non computer related topics such threads are not supposed to go there.
Currently these threads are 'homeless'.
AnneMarie, this was a direct response to Linda Hewitt. That is why I made the remark I made. For the second - and I hope, final - time, I was pointing out that DB try to be a little more polite and less abrasive in how he talks to other members. As it's the second or third time it's been brought to his attention even as it still occurs, I don't think it's been understood yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Bob
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Originally Posted by Dr. Bob
I guess its a matter of interpretation, but I understand that to mean everything non-computer related (including computers). That forum was started because there was a general demand for off topics, but as far as I know, talking about computers was never prohibited. So I don't see why we'd need a seperate forum for off-topic, computer related threads.Quote:
Doctor's Lounge (4 Viewing)
A place for non-computer related chatter.
Here are just a few computer related topics in the lounge:
Corsair: Good customer support
lgbpop
If you were going to spend $30 milllion on a computer...
SuperSparks
Microsoft's Surface Computing
GetaGrrrip
Post your Aquamark3 scores here!
Dude111
screw you adobe flash
bartholimew
Julie Amero
maxximilian
Interesting????
buf
I've always wondered what...
fink
Pandora.com - unbelievable music site
usil
IRS Wants to Tax Online Sales
Steve R Jones
What SFX do you use for your Recycle Bin, etc.?
lgbpop
Getting your A+ Certification (and others)
Webshark2000
etc etc.
These are taken from the last 30 threads of the Lounge. A rather large percentage of computer related subjects, if you ask me. So why add a new computer related, off topic forum if we already have one? The off-topic forum was meant for a place to chat about anything (within limits), as opposed to the other forums which are meant for questions, answers and discussions.
Perhaps a change of the wording would clear things up:
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Doctor's Lounge (4 Viewing)
A place for computer & non-computer related chatter.
Now that is a valid point. I will change the description
To tell the truth....I am not a big fan of subforums or even creating new parent forums for narrow areas of interest. I have seen forums that do that and you could start scrolling at lunch and be ready for dinner by the time you get to the bottom. I am always looking at combining forums where I am invloved in such matters. Scrolling aside....I have found that departmentalizing too much lessens member interaction. It's like having a party in a really big house. People start to hang out in particular rooms and don't interact as much. But have a party in a small house where people have to "bump" into one another more...you get more discussion. ;)
As ever, you raise an excellent point Maxx :)
It would be good to get some more opinions on what folks think of the currrent forum line up. Do we have too many, not enough, or are we about right?
Two more rules of party planning....
Invite more women than men....and purposely not have enough seating so that people are forced to mingle. Just adding those tips for those planning their next blowout.... :D
Regarding the current forum line-up....I haven't really studied it much, but my rule of thumb is 'less is best' for the mingling factor alone...unless the bunching causes confusion.
That was very well illustrated, Max. Point taken.
HO, HUM. "you said, she said, I was only...I didn't....You said...You meant...I meant...I said...HO HUM! get over yourselves people.
Not sure what that means, but ok.
Great points Maxx ... always the voice of reason ;)
You caught me at a lucid moment....before I get all liquored up....LOL :D
Actually....those points about party planning are true. I had used them after throwing a couple dud parties back in the day. But they go straight to human behavior and nature and apply elsewhere too...like an internet forum. ;)
The part about having more women than men does two things. It cuts down on the whole ego alpha male..."That guy is getting more female attention than me, so I am going to fight with him"...thing. And....women are always more friendly and open to newcomers than guys (with exceptions of course)...
In every busy forum I have ever seen....it is the ladies that carry the day and make off-topic work. They are the ones keeping it light while the guys are trying to take off each other's head over arguing artificial turf versus natural grass or some similar minor point. Women keep off-topic from becoming a major testosterone spill many times....LOL :D
Personally...I like the lounge forum being a mix of computer and non-computer. It's a chance for the geeks to bump into non-geeks. :D
Man is that ever true.
Yep ... if it weren't for the lounge I wouldn't have anywhere to go here :D
well .. maybe a couple other areas but I wouldn't be of much help ;)