Just curious what you all think will happen on Tuesday. This is a poll for what you think will happen....not what you want to happen....so no fighting. :D
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Just curious what you all think will happen on Tuesday. This is a poll for what you think will happen....not what you want to happen....so no fighting. :D
Republicans lose the House, keep the Senate, but lose the keys to the Senate executive bathrooms.
Too many things have to fall into place for the Democrats to take over one branch of the legislature, let alone both. The way the country's been divided so evenly for the last 15 years, I think the alignment will stay the same, with smaller margins.
How about that John Kerry, eh? I'm waiting for him to blame Karl Rove for his foot-in-mouth disease. I certainly never expected him to be the Republicans' "October surprise."
I figure the Dems grab the House with even some seats to spare. Not a commanding advantage, but majority alone is enough to control committees and appointments.
Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House? :eek:
The Senate is a closer call.....and I figure the Reps hang on by the skin of their teeth....and there WILL be recounts I assure you. Too much riding on this one......
In addition to recounts....I have a couple more predictions....
1. There will be accusations of fraud and errors with computerized voting systems. (people still don't trust our little silicon-based friends)
2. If the Dems take the House as I think they will....there will be months of investigations aimed at the Prez. (Revenge for the Clinton impeachment most likely....)
3. One year after the election we will still be complaining that our government is crooked no matter who wins. :p
Kerry is a dope, that was apparent even before he stuck his foot in his mouth.
I remember his early career, when he shopped around three congressional districts before he decided to challenge in one and he got his a$$ kicked; and in 1982 when running for lieutenant governor he told a Boston Globe reporter that he promised to serve his full four-year term. What a BS artist. Ed Brooke was already in political trouble, and Kerry was rumored to have something to do with the nursing-home allegations that made him decide to retire from the Senate.
I end my rant here before I really get started on him!
No matter what your political leanings......please get out and vote.....
It's majorly embarassing for the US to be talking about spreading democracy...building democracy....protecting democracy....and then have a population too lazy to get off their collective butts and vote. I have been around and eligible to vote for about 50 elections now (2 per year) and I can honestly say I have only missed about two, for various reasons...(one I was in intensive cardiac care). :eek:
Every election I see the turnout and it goes something like this.....
Half of the elligible people are registered to vote....and of those, only half voted. My math says that's one-quarter of the people are showing up at the polls year after year.
So get out there and vote....and don't make me come back here again to taunt you a second time..... :mad:
:p :D
I predict a bunch of lying, ineffectual, and basically dishonest and impotent people will be elected to each office, and that essentially nothing will change, whatsoever.
I stopped voting for a little while because it was too much to stand in line for these old legs of mine ;)
But, now I qualify for absentee ballots so ... there is always a way.
:)
I can't remember the last time I had to stand in a line.....there's never anybody there............. :eek:
I think the majority of the population votes around here ... there are always lines.... no matter what time you go.
Hate to say it, but the voting ethic seems to mirror the general work ethic based on age. One of the things I find heartening here in Florida is how many people take advantage of the right to vote. Polling places here routinely have a 20-30 minute wait in line.
It's also interesting to me how the most jaded or cynical voters (who think, ahem, that nothing will change no matter who's elected, or that, ahem, all politicians are crooks) all seem to be in Democrat-dominated states. :) Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?
Hi,
I have been working in the voting booths as a judge for the last 4 years now and I have found that the largest majority of voters are the Asians, Spanish, and Europians that have come over here in the last 10 - 20 years. I'm in Northern California and the largest of the above groups are the Asians. Second and third generations in some cases.
We all need to vote or those of us that do vote will say I TOLD YOU SO if someone gets in that they didn't like.
Everyone, get out and vote. Even in Florida every vote counts, 1, 2, or 3 times.
Cheers mac :eek:
I also spent some time working the elections on the inspector board many years ago....
I noticed back then that older people were more likely to vote than younger ones. Can't say if that trend still holds now as I am only in there for few minutes and really only see the inspectors and judges working there.
Unless you are a brain surgeon in the middle of a 12-hour emergency operation....I hardly think you can find an excuse to not find the time to get in and vote..... ;)
This what JP posted: I predict a bunch of lying, ineffectual, and basically dishonest and impotent people will be elected to each office, and that essentially nothing will change, whatsoever.
To that I say, that is what is there already---turn all of them out and start fresh. And I have no argument if both houses want to talk about impeaching Bush--he deserves no better. He is at the top of the list and take out those in leadership(?) roles below him.
House: Dems----Senate: I can only hope Dems. It's gonna be close in the Senate, I believe.
For those of you who don't/didn't like lines, could you have voted 5 days early. We did and only took about 10 minutes and we in Florida had amendments to consider. But no lines!!! And we chose paper ballots over the use of touch screens.
There is no option for early voting in my state....
You can apply for an absentee ballot....but have to meet a certain criteria (health, military, etc). Other than that...you must show up on election day if you want to cast a vote....that's the rules....
Also...there is a deadline to apply for an absentee ballot....and it expires well in advance of election day.
Our laws re. absentee voting have restrictions also but the beauty of early voting is as I stated already. Good or bad, I don't really know. I took advantage of it's availability to vote early and I think that provision kicks in 5 days before election day. It could be that early voting is to entice those who are semi-home bound or those with other medical, age; etc. reasons to get out and cast their ballot.
Get out the vote and go vote is a right and privilege that we Americans have and one that we should exercise. Threaten to take it away through some means or law and our country would be in one more of an uproar. Think about it :)
EDIT: I just read this in an email and thought it would be good to post here to get a smile from ya:
The laws barring felons the right to vote
will gradually be changed as the politicians
begin getting paroled.
Hi Folks!
A few points: I am a card carrying republican (with a brain!). I am totally fed-up with the Republican Party! YES! They have done ALOT right, especially with the war on terrorism and tax cuts! But most of my life republicans told me NOT to vote for the other side, they tax and spend, they grow the gov. big, they make too many laws, etc... Well... the last 12 years WE have had both the house and senate and ALL 3 branches for 6 years now! Guess what? The gov is bigger, the budget is bigger, there are more laws, etc... than ever before! UNDER the Republican Party! I will NEVER vote for 99% of democrats. I DID vote for Zell Miller and Sam Nunn (both democrats!) and was sorry they stepped down! I would vote for Joel Lieberman (D) IF he was here in Georgia! The point is I and MANY like me have NO party that represents us anymore! BOTH parties have made it almost impossible for a 3rd. party to ever be a threat!
I think MOST of our problems would be solved if there were TERM LIMITS!
Everybody, senate, house, and the president get ONE 4 year term. NO using the last WHOLE year campaigning for re-election! When I was a CHILD RECESSES were done away with for me and all my friends! The House and Senate take SEVERAL recesses YEARLY. Most are for 6 weeks or more!!! I think I read once that they actually only work about 5-6 months out of the year! Anyone in this forum have a PAID VACATION for HALF A YEAR YEARLY??? The pay should be lowered to about $60.000 per year! (That is for 6 MONTHS remember!) ALOT more than we make!
Also the way they campaign for the entire last YEAR of there term, they do NOT do the nations business, they get paid and use benefits! THAT SHOULD BE STOPPED IMMEDIATELY!!! Anybody here take the last YEAR off from their job, RETAIN it, get PAID and USE benefits??? IF I did that at Fed-Ex
Corporation, then go up and down the street petitioning for a competitor to hire me, Fed-Ex would FIRE me, SUE ME and I would have a court date!!!
In case you are wondering, I am FED UP with ALL politicians! ALL branches and levels of gov. Why are our borders STILL open? Why do my wife and I pay MORE than $60,000.00 in TAXES yearly and all they want is MORE and MORE! The Tax Payers in this country are punished, We are told to work harder, PAY MORE TAXES, while our neighbors STAY HOME and do not work, and are REWARDED for having sex and making babies! Criminals are given DOZENS of chances when they are in court, let a HONEST tax paying citizen screw up ONCE and the Judge says he is going to make an example out of you! I am a Fed-Ex employee now for almost 21 YEARS. I do not party, I do not smoke (NEVER tried Pot!), do not do drugs; do not drink alcohol of ANY kind (Never!) and never done drugs! But because I am a Professional Driver with a CDL (Commercial Drivers License) I have had THREE random drug and alcohol tests the last THREE WEEKS! But the Section 8 people and the gimme welfare crowd IN our neighborhood are NOT required to have substance abuse tests! WHY NOT???!!! THEY are the ones where the VAST majority of the crimes, murders, drive by shootings, drug wars and use, gangs and gang activity, violence and all the wonderful things their values and culture has brought us!!!
Something has got to give... Our nation CANNOT keep this up and survive!
It helps to vent!!!
Stanton, ke4pkb.
When Bush goes to a military base to speak, we always has a big attending crowd (in numbers)----he has a captive audience----the military are ordered to attend. I had to do similar things when I was in the service and that order was passed on down the line. All of them have to do it---no questions asked. Just so you non-military families know that for a fact.
Here are 3 excerpts (AP coverage ?)from the Bush visit to Pensacola today, 11/6:
On Monday, Bush jetted to a conservative corner of Florida's Panhandle, about as far as he could get from the state's three in-play House districts. To the White House's embarrassment and irritation, Republican Charlie Crist, whom Bush came to help in his bid to succeed the president's brother as governor, decided at the last minute to skip the chance to be by the president's side.
And anther one:
Still, Karl Rove, Bush's top political adviser, suggested that reporters see whether Crist would be able to hastily assemble anything like the Pensacola event, which drew about 7,000. (I didn't know the Naval Air Base in Pensacola had some many people. Probably included ALL family members and those who work there as civilians---buf)
And the last one:
With Crist as a no-show, Bush was joined on stage by a host of Florida Republican officeholders and candidates - but not by Republican Rep. Katherine Harris. She has run a much-panned Senate race that has had her Republican elders cringing and both the president and retiring Gov. Jeb Bush largely avoiding her. (They don't like her either!!--buf)
And just in case you haven't figured out where I stand:
HAD ENOUGH---VOTE DEMOCRAT 06!!!!!
Hey, I think the machines that we use to cast our vote should be those used by VDr. I just looked at the poll and it tells me that I have already voted!!! That's accuracy :D
I cringe at the though of Charlie Rangel (D-NY) keeping his promise to rescind all Republican tax-cut bills that were passed in the past six years--that will be a $1.20 trillion tax increase, mainly on the working guy who benefitted most from them (extra tax deductions for kids, the estate tax on inheritances, and the capital-gains tax reduction) as well as small businessmen like me.
I find it miraculous that any of that got through the obstructionism of Pelosi and Reid (and Daschle before Reid). Without their tactics, the temporary tax cuts would have been permanent and not subject to ending.
We haven't seen much Republicanism, but that's thanks to the never-ending roadblocks by the "working guy's" party--what a laugh. (I'd love to make money the way Harry Reid does!) Why on earth would I vote for them? That won't punish Republicans, it would punish me--and I'd deserve it for doing so.
Hey buf, now that we're done, let's go have a beer! :D
lgbpop, OK by me but you ain't gonna get me drunk enough to change my mind---I voted already :D
And if we do have a beer, imported no doubt (isn't that the choice of Republicans) it may just help your cringing problem. ;)
Still a debatable issue as to whether the "ill defined working man" benefited from the Bush led tax cuts.!! But there is no need to try to debate this with me--I don't wanna hear it no mo!!
PS How is the new granddaughter these days. Growing no doubt and getting spoiled. Good that she knows her nights from her days and lets the family sleep through the nights!
When I drank, it was Bud. John Kerry and his type are into imported stuff, not me. And yes, I bebefitted. On an annual income in the $28,000 range my taxes dropped $3300 a year--came in handy paying the kids' dental bills, back-to-school clothes, and frivolous expenditures like car repairs etc. :rolleyes: But hey, I'm "rich," so raise my taxes some more. That rightfully makes me cringe.
The grandson's fine, thanks--precocious little so-'n'-so.
I have voted absente for the last 4 years. As I am working as a judge that day and I may end up as I did this year, about 20 miles from my district. The last year I voted for someone who I thought could do the job was in 1964 with Goldwater. I was in the airforce at the time in Japan.
These days I don't vote for someone I think can do the job, none of them do anything anymore. I just vote for the people I think will do the least amount of damage in their term of office. ( from that you can see who I didn't vote for the last 8 years).
Still, everyone please get out and vote. I can see that the turn out in Washington State will be low with all the rain and rivers over flowing. Can't blame them for that.
cheers mac :confused: :confused:
:D Perhaps 'God' told Crist to snub Bush. Seems that he/she/it has a real penchant for talking to politicians and telling them what to do. :rolleyes:Quote:
To the White House's embarrassment and irritation, Republican Charlie Crist, whom Bush came to help in his bid to succeed the president's brother as governor, decided at the last minute to skip the chance to be by the president's side.
Edit to add a little reminder. Unbelievable!! If you look real hard you will find the funding for this privatisation in next years budget.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010520.php - video
I sure hope so! I'd love to be able to control "my" own retirement fund. At a 1.2% interest rate, the government sure isn't capable of doing so. I can do a heck of a lot better than that. But then the government wouldn't be in control of my money or have it to spend, so who knows. James Madison and Thomas Paine (in the Federalist Papers) both observed that any government's natural inclination is to expand its own size, by virtue of the very definition of government. What a depressing thought.Quote:
Edit to add a little reminder. Unbelievable!! If you look real hard you will find the funding for this privatisation in next years budget.
Congratulations to Stephen Harper in Canada, I hope he has more success than Joe Clark did.
Not to worry--Bush with all his "Political Capital", as he so named it in 2004, will NOT be changing Social Security. He will be doing well to just stay in office without another, and the greatest blemish to his term of office..
I have cast my vote once again..............for the glory of the Republic... :) :p
Sorry...I was watching a Roman history thing on Discovery last night...and I love that phrase...Glory of the republic..... :D
Anyway....just to show how an intrepid a voter I am.....
I not only had to go out and vote in the rain....I also had a flat tire I had to first pump and drive to the service station for a repair. Beat that you crazy American voters!!! LOL :D
Well, the campaigning is over, and the voting is just about finished. I probably shouldn't have gotten into it, but I love a good political discussion. :) Political discussions are the bane of most forums, as they invariably become flame wars or worse. Check out any forum that allows it and you know what I mean.
I'm pleased to say that the members of VDr are far removed from that kind of behavior and this thread proves it. Despite our political leanings and convictions, we have enough respect for one another not to let things get out of hand.
Let Campaign '08 begin! :D
Oh yeah....well I'll be waiting in the parking lot after that remark! :mad: :p :D
Normally I don't watch TV news....but will likely tune into CNN or FOX and catch the returns as they come in...
Then again....as a painter....I also will watch paint dry...... :D
Thinking about 2008 election already, heuh LGBPOP?
How about:
Hillary Clinton : Pres
Nancy Pelosi : VP
and John Kerry: Secretary of Defense. :D
President: Condoleezza Rice
Vice-President: Mitt Romney
SecDef: Jeb Bush ;)
John Kerry? Please, I left Massachusetts to get away from him and the other so-and-so! :D
:D Can I have some of what's in your pipe? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lgbpop
She's a Stanford graduate, an expert on Russia and Russian relations, former NSA head, and the Secretary of State. On Capitol Hill, she's known on both sides of the aisle as being politically savvy, pleasant and tough as nails at the same time. She's personable, very intelligent and respected among our friends and allies. Margaret Thatcher with charm, if you will.Quote:
Can I have some of what's in your pipe?
She's eminently qualified. What could there possibly be about her that you think is strange or that you think makes her a bad choice?
I don't disagree with your evaluation of her pedigree, and do believe she is quite capable.
Unfortunately, I do not think the American public is ready to elect a woman (no less of color) to the Presidency.
We all should be happy that lgbpop is not the "decider" :D :D
I see absolutely nothing wrong with Condoleezza Rice getting in office ... I would vote for her in a minute if given the choice between her and Chillary Clinton.
:D
I've been a life-long Republican....but I always split my ticket in general elections. Never voted straight party in my life. This year's split favored democrats....
Not because I have changed any of my core beliefs...but rather I want to send a few elements of my party packing since I think they are hurting it for the long run. In short....I look at it as using democrats to do some housekeeping in my party. :D
However....and I am serious about this.....is there something psychologically wrong with Nancy Pelosi? I watched some of her performances during the Katrina aftermath...and she seemed somewhat unbalanced. It remined me of seeing someone on medication that was late on the dosage....because later on she would be lucid and calm. :confused:
Rofl! Yeah she is a treat to watch :p
And the best part is she will only be 2 steps away from being President... :eek:
Time will tell.