Rural Highspeed solution

I live in an area completely sorrunded by farm land.., the chances of a DSL or Cable connection seems to be very slim..

there are three solutions that I can see to this problem.:

1.ISDN
2.Satellite
3.Buy my own line

ISDN seems to be basically a combination of 56k lines.., you get a optimal speed of 128k..
I really dont know much more about ISDN then that.., other then the fact that it is aviable anywhere 56k is..
I need to know:
is it always on?
How much does it cost?
Will I need multible phone lines, ect.?

Satellite seems like my best option if ISDN turns out to be too expensive, ect. it is availble anywhere you can see the sky.. I know that it isn't too expensive.., the problem is that the initial hardware is alot...
do I have to get services with-in the country? (I am in the US.., I know that there are cheaper sevices for Canada, New Zealand, ect.)

buying my own line is never going to happen unless I win the lottery or something.., it is a nice thought though.., think of what one could do with a single OC3 line...

thanx in advanced,
Byan

Certainly your final choice will come down to the offers from your Data supplier/tel-co..

Basicly:from BellSouth
ISDN is a telephone line that provides two primary channels for communication. These channels allow you to connect more than one device to the line, such as a PC, a phone and a fax. You can then perform two tasks simultaneously, such as placing a call and sending a fax, or transmitting a data file and receiving a call. You can also combine the two (64k-speed) channels in to a single (128K-speed) channel and achieve ISDN's top speed for sharing data files and Internet access.

Satellite has two options:

PSTN uplink: the down channel is from the sat, but the return is via your phone line..uplink speed is limited by the phone line speed.
Satellite uplink: true full satellite broardband..

Speeds on sat are good.. (upto 1024kb) I suspect cost will be an issue..especially with Sat Uplink.. again the telco/isp may have some good offers..

Not your full answer ..trust this is a start

cheers

ISDN
The dual channel does require 2 phone lines.
Anyway did a fe years ago when I checked that option out.

Might check this out. Seems there is a install sticker price too. 400K seems to be the home speed.

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my direcway satellite downloads/uploads on the satellite.
its a 2 way system

1300k download speed
55k upload. no phone lines.

always on. system is 579.50 on sale right now.
60.00 per month.
i dumped 2m phone lines, 2 internet accounts, aol, and that pays for all of it easy.

Kjanx, you are not required to agree with another member. You are, however, required to be polite about it when disagreeing.

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you 'd would rather have misinformation, go for it.

i can remeber the early days, on another forum, polite was nasty for you.

remember?? nick grana??

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Hi Byan

Have you approached ISP's in your area to find out what is available for you where you are located? And what the costs are?

Now from my personal experience. ISDN is expensive here and the results are not very impressive unless you really go big and then the costs are not within the reach of an ordinary home user.

Also from my personal experience. Satellite also is expensive, and has the added problem of excessive latency (delay) which makes some sites unreachable as timeouts occur. There are also problems if you wish to play games with other users.

DSL may be possible but long telephone lines render it unworakable. (How far are you from the exchange?)

Wireless is another possibility. Some ISP make this available. You could also set up your own with the co-operation of a friend in town.

A DSL connection to their place forwarded with a wireless connection consisting of directional high gain aerials and two WAPs connected in bridging mode, high level security using SSID, WEP and MAC address exclusivity. (Now before others jump in quoting laws, I'm not talking about sharing here, rather your service installed into there address and extended on your own wireless bridge.)

Doing this will cost you money, but with a little extra effort, will give you a fast, reliable and secure connection. (Some will disagree on the security, but modern WEP is vastly superior to that available several years ago) See here for some wireless security information.

Good luck on getting a faster connection in a rural area. Let us know how you get on. BF

If you get really desperate, you could get two 56k modems and two phone lines for 112k. That could be used as a last solution. Its probably cheaper than ISDN, and not much slower.
But if you have the cash, look into satelite.

Heres my directway from earthlink @ 70 a month and 20 hours of dialup as well .. was about 800 to install and configure, they require that a specialist do it due to fcc rules. This also worked with TV on the same dish we have two rooms and the internet on one dish.

2004-05-03 8:40:15 EST: 1952 / 83
Your download speed : 1999226 bps, or 1952 kbps.
A 244 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 85910 bps, or 83 kbps.

sorry I took so long to respond, it seems I accidently unchecked the subscribe box.., I never got an email.., anyway...

how much is ISDN ussually, I really dont know where to look around here.., anyways.., I dont think I want ISDN if I am going to have to get another phone line..

Satellite may have to be the way to go.., http://www.nationwidesatellite.com/h...asp?AID=035320 has an ok deal.., I just dont know if this is worth it now that I think about it..., I am going to college in a few years anyway.., to set up either 2 years before I go to college where they have T3 seems kinda unworth it..., my parents are going to be using it....

I dont know much about wireless.., but that looks like it would be more trouble then the others..., but how much distanst would that give me??.., I got to be a few miles from a friend that would let me do this.., but then again.., if could do this I would get some really fast DSL and have all of my friends in the area connect to it..., I bet they would be willing to pay a little bit for it as well...,

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DSL may be possible but long telephone lines render it unworakable. (How far are you from the exchange?)

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what exaclty do you mean.., the only places that I know that you can get highspeed is in town with cable and off in another place like where I live where they can get DSL for whatever reason...

thanx again,
Byan

sorry I took so long to respond, it seems I accidently unchecked the subscribe box.., I never got an email.., anyway...

how much is ISDN ussually, I really dont know where to look around here.., anyways.., I dont think I want ISDN if I am going to have to get another phone line..

Satellite may have to be the way to go.., http://www.nationwidesatellite.com/h...asp?AID=035320 has an ok deal.., I just dont know if this is worth it now that I think about it..., I am going to college in a few years anyway.., to set up either 2 years before I go to college where they have T3 seems kinda unworth it..., my parents are going to be using it....

I dont know much about wireless.., but that looks like it would be more trouble then the others..., but how much distanst would that give me??.., I got to be a few miles from a friend that would let me do this.., but then again.., if could do this I would get some really fast DSL and have all of my friends in the area connect to it..., I bet they would be willing to pay a little bit for it as well...,

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DSL may be possible but long telephone lines render it unworakable. (How far are you from the exchange?)

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what exaclty do you mean.., the only places that I know that you can get highspeed is in town with cable and off in another place like where I live where they can get DSL for whatever reason...

thanx again,
Byan

EDIT: ..., sorry for the repeat..., another reason we should be able to delete our own posts...

Hi Byan

DSL will work on phone lines upto about 3 miles from the exchange, and this is the way to go if you can get it. Wireless with directional aerials will work upto about six miles, provided it is a line-of-sight path. BF

satellite is the only way to go in a rural setting.
i really like mine now after a month.
its always on, its mucho faster that dsl, distance is 22,500 miles from the satellite, antd the signal is here in a heartbeat.

well I am never going to be able to get a line-of-sight path, too many trees..., I do have on efreind that may be able to get cable and he is only about 2 miles away...

Define Exchange..., If it is what I think it is then I am too far away...

thanx again,
Byan

Exchange = telephone exchange = building where the automatic switching equipment is housed. ie the other end of the telephone line. BF

thats interesting..., so it doesn't matter where you are in location.., just if your that close to an exchange..., so you could live in like the middle of no where with a population of almost nothing but since your town has an exchange next to where you live for whatever reason then you can get DSL...

well.., I asked my dad and he says it's about 3 miles from the edge of the road that is in back of us.., (our drive way goes to a road in front of our house but the road behind our house is actually closer) so it is about 4 miles from our house..., isn't that great..., I am curious if we could get a some sort of signal booster at the edge of the road..., I am going to have to find how far each of my friends is from the exchange as well....

I talked it over with the friend of mine that can probule get cable internet since he has digital cable tv service, I assume that he should be able too.., but anyway, if we could get him to get it we could have a few friends of mine pay a share of the costs and get the price to where it is almost nothing...,
are there different speeds of cable.., I always here about different speeds of DSL.., we would definately need a faster connection...,

This is starting to sound like fun.., I mean if we were to do this.., then we would put together a server at my friends house with the connection.., with a proxy server, ect. and maybe a e-mail, ect. server while we're at it..., not to mention that this way we will be connected in almost a LAN.., so we could share files and play games at fast speeds...

how much will the trees deteriate the wireless connection?

thanx again,
Byan

Hi Byan

The distance to the exchange that you need to consider is the actual distance the telecpone line takes. It won't be a straight line, it will follow the streets, usually. Check with your telco/ISP is DSL or cable is available on your phone line.

For wireless, a few leaves on a short path are usually OK, but for a longer path the aerials need to be up on poles. A length of water pipe bolted to the side of the house usually does the trick. The aerials need to be directional if the path is more than about half a mile. The WAPs and directional aerials are not cheep, you need to check prices in your area. You can see some here BF