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Your slightest wish is my command, Sir. I'll do just that tomorrow but don't know how we can coordinate our actions since we are 3 hours apart in time. Should I wait to do this late tomorrow night when you are likely home or ???
Should I change the jumper pins on the new HDD to Slave at the outset and even before temporarily installing it as the only HDD or does that matter at that point? And be sure the old HDD is set as Master. When I make permanent the installation, won't I have the two HDD connected on the same ribbon which will be plugged in the Primary IDE? If not, where will be burner be plugged in if I use the Secondary IDE? I thought the Slave HD would be plugged into the "middle connector" on the ribbon.
Your post: 2nd. Fdisk and make 50% primary and 50% extended , remember extended need to be made 100% logical.
I realize the two 50% partitions will equal the size of the new HDD but I don't understand this: remember extended need to be made 100% logical.
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I was going to wait 'till you guys finished with this then close & sticky it for posterity.
Looks like we could be going for a while yet though so i'm just going to sticky it.
I think EVERYONE is learning at least a little something in here.
(I don't think I've had a 100 post thread in here yet :D )
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smurfy
Thanks, now I do not have to go chasin. :D
(This just might exceed the 100 mark)
buf
5:30 PM your time should be about when I check in.
How to FDISK a Hard Drive
How to Use the Fdisk Tool and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk
Just little light reading for you.
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Yes, thanks smurfy. Two days ago I was thinking of suggesting starting another and number it #2 or whatever to make things easier for everyone. Now I have got to go back to the Library! :D
BTW, I am learning "heaps", I think.
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buf. this is like anything else dealing with computers. At first it seems like a cram course. Afterward, ;) we wonder why were were so leary of doing that. I use the word leary instead of scared for most folks as they do dig in and do it.
Well, realized you posted that you got a Maxtor hdd, so did you get a floppy with it labeled MAX BLAST ?
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Monday started off innocently enough but after about 11AM, it began to go sour.;) A long story short so I just won't tell it!!
I managed to get started with the one thing I wanted to work on and get accomplished today but it was much much later than I wanted to begin. And in spite of numerous interruptions, I finally got things done---properly, I hope.
I installed the new HDD, fdisked it and partitioned and I believe I have Disk C:1 as a Primary DOS with 14661MB Fat32 @50% use and Disk C:2 as a Ext DOS with the same values.
I may have to make the new HDD Primary and the old HDD a Slave because I had to install the new HDD above the old and that causes the ribbon to be in the wrong place for plugging in on the ribbon(badly described) but this may be true if BOTH hdd are to be on the Primary IDE. Maybe there is a way to put the new hdd on the Secondary ribbon with my CDR. Would that work? If not, then what work around can I use?
It seemed to take this very inexperienced PC user to get the new hdd set up a long time. At one point, while I was waiting for the verification of the drive to be completed, I looked in the installation guide book for the new Maxtor and read briefly about the use of the Max Blast Plus II floppy and CD. That method seemed simple enough to use. Could I have used it instead? If you say yes and if I am a bit in doubt that that my running fdisk/partition is poorly done, could/should I start again and use the Max Blast?
Please tell me what you would do with making which hdd Primary and which Secondary. Which would you choose?
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A BLUE MONDAY. Yep they happen :mad: is what I feel about them myself.
So you fdisked it. Good!
Now to verify what you did, go back into fdisk and select
4. Display Partition Information
Hit enter and it will show you what you have done.
If you labled it , that is good. Just so you can remember which drive/partition is which until you get use to working with multi drives/partitions.
If you have a cdrom as master, yes you can hookup a slave hdd with it. The reason is later when we use DI2002, working from Primary ide to secondary IDE takes me 7 minutes to do. 40 minutes if the 2 hdds are on the same ribbon. My C: has 6.22GB on it and like I said across sure is faster.
Now what you can do, is to hook up the 2 hdds where you want them to finally be.
Now as we will be working with DI, we will not need the cdrom for the time being, we can hook up the ribbons primary ide to the old one [which is set as master] and unhook the ribbon and powerplug from the cdrom. A then the 2nd hdd can be set as mater but hooked to the secondary ide.
Bootup, clone [copy] C: to D: and when it is finished shutdown and hook things up the way you want them.
The new one on the primary ide and the cdrom as master and the old hdd as slave. Bootup and it everything is right, you will boot to the new hdd.
Maxtors, floppy.
Yes you could have done the partitioning and all with it. Plus it has the Maxtor hdd utilities on it. But, as far as I am concerened, you did it the right way!!!
You did make the C1 active did you not?
If not that is easy to fix. When you get ready to boot to it, put your bootdisk in and boot to it.
sys C:
A:\sys C:
hit enter
It will tell you files are transfered.
HIT the threefinger salute
remove floppy and it will boot to window.
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Train, I think that I recall making C1 the active partition but I will check it with your way just to be sure.
One thing(just one!!)that I have been unsure of is properly and correctly setting the jumper on the new hdd. The Maxtor book is not that clear in describing that area. My hdd appears to be the Jumper Style B and the hdd arrived with the jumper in the 4th position. That appears to be the Master and when I installed the hdd, I moved the jumper to what I thought was the Slave position(1st position-from power side) but I simply could not and still cannot be sure. Maxtor keeps talking about the "Cable Select".
C/P excerpt:
If you have a cdrom as master, yes you can hookup a slave hdd with it. The reason is later when we use DI2002, working from Primary ide to secondary IDE takes me 7 minutes to do. 40 minutes if the 2 hdds are on the same ribbon. My C: has 6.22GB on it and like I said across sure is faster.
Now what you can do, is to hook up the 2 hdds where you want them to finally be.
Are you saying that I could go ahead and make my hookups permanent before I do anything else? With the new hdd set to Master and on the Primary IDE that is all I need to do for it. Then my old hdd is to be set to Slave and hooked onto the CDRom ribbon in the Slave position--is this correct? If so, what does this do to the fdisk and format I have already done on it? Can the CDRom be changed to Slave and my old hdd would stay in the Master position---the jumper on the CDRom is easier to get to than the hdd jumper. If that is not good, then I'll just change the old hdd jumper.
Stupid questions but I am trying for the simplest but correct way of doing this. Correct way is the way I want to go.
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The old one must be on the Primary as master until we get it cloned. Once the clone is done then you can switch the ribbons.
I was thinking maybe you could mount the hdds into the case permanently and just switch the ribbons around as needed to make things work.
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RE the jumpers:
I looked at the Maxtor site and have learned that this new HDD does NOT require a jumper for the HDD to be set to Slave. And the Master setting for the jumper is the last two pins to the far left( the 4th set of pins from the power pins.) Perhaps I was confusing the jumper setting on a CDRom cause I have never known about/moved jumpers on either of these pieces of hardware before.
BTW, I had already permanently installed the new HDD and had to put it in a 51/4" bay JUST above the old HDD. I can and will change this if you want me to. Changing the ribbon(s) from one HDD to another should not be a problem for even me:D
My CDRom is set to Master and is on the Secondary IDE and I will now disconnect the power cord and the ribbon and then reset the new HDD to Master and plug in the ribbon from the CDRom and a power cord and hope to be able to clone the old HDD to the new HDD.
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Just checked Properities in My Computer for my new drives:
Drive C(old hdd drive) no changes in size from what I already had
Drive D 14.3GB FAT32
Drive E no value given for the 14.3GB I thought I gave it when I partitioned last night. FAT only is listed and not FAT32. Guess I must have failed to do something right. Am going back and fdisk and partition the new HDD again. Report later.
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I have just completed another try at fdisk and partition. Now this is what shows in properties in My Computer:
Drive C: No change and that is okay because this is my old HDD
Drive D: 14.3 GB and 8KB used, and I named it Drive 1 (New HDD)
Both drives are now FAT 32 but I don't know what happened to the 14.3GB I assigned to Extended DOS.:mad: I am now very frustrated and maybe I should just use the Max Blast Plus II CD and floppy and let them do the job. I must be doing something wrong. I don't know that I can use these now but I assume I could delete the partitions in the new HDD and go from there.
Your instructions covering the fdisk and partitioning seem to be well written but somehow or somewhere, I am overlooking small details or simply not entering the right info or pushing the correct keys. My brain elevator doesn't always go to the top floor but it seems that I could have met with success in two tries. Perhaps it isn't meant that I have 2 HDDs in my puter.
Maybe I'll just let this rest for a few hours and then try again tomorrow. All the effort seems worthwhile but why I am not having success, I don't really know. Yeah, I am still listening tho;)
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Okay, you made the Primary, you made the extended, but looks like you failed to make the Logical. So, go back in and make the extended 100% logical.
EDITED some stuff out after rereading.
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This is my current info:
Primary---Extended---Logical 100% are now set. Drives C, D and E are now shown in My Computer/Properties. The "values" of each are as follows:
Drive C: Used space 3.88GB Fat 32
Free space 3.25GB TOTAL CAPACITY 7.14GB
The above is the same as they were when I first started this task.
Drive D: Used space 7.78GB Fat 32
(DRIVE 1)Free space 6.51GB TOTAL CAPACITY 14.3GB
The above is about double the values of the Drive C (OKAY??)
Drive E: No information here; only the drive recognized (OK??)
So where is my remaining 14.3GB partition?
The OLD HDD is on Primary IDE as Master and the NEW HDD is on Secondary IDE as Master right now. It would seem that I would get faster access to everything if I had the new HDD as Master on the Primary IDE and the old HDD on the Secondary IDE as Slave. Neither of these Maxtor HDD require a jumper placement for Slave when it is to be used. And keep in mind, the NEW HDD is 30GB 7200 RPM and the OLD HDD is 13.2GB 5400 RPM. I will most freely go with whatever setup you suggest in so far as placing which HDD on which IDE. I will leave that decision to you.
I will be just as happy to leave EVERYTHING just as it is right now if everything will work properly and I will still have accomplished what I--with all of your help--set out to do. Actually, since the new HDD is now fdisked and partitioned wouldn't it be wise to leave it as is but just take the Master jumper away?? Just asking.
I will still need fine directions to clone my OLD HDD to the NEW HDD. After that is done, what do I do with the DI backup CDs?
Clean the OLD HDD and use them to re-install my backup? More help please :) Does this never end? ;)
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"Drive E: No information here; only the drive recognized (OK??)
So where is my remaining 14.3GB partition?"
Go into My Computer and open it.
R-click E:\ and select format.
Anyway I belive you did not do a format E:
and the above will fix that.
