Glad you decided to keep this thread going. I will be in as much as possible to help out.
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Glad you decided to keep this thread going. I will be in as much as possible to help out.
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My thought for the first week would be to discuss the goal in building, tools needed, safety, test equipment, a general outline of how the project to be accomplished, then a components list/costs.
For example: How do you use an inexpensive vom? What is the proper size screw driver to use? Can I use magnetized tools?
Also the subject per week would run from Saturday to Saturday.
And to have fun while we are doing this. You have to be careful about burnout.
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Huh?
I got mentioned?
you guys must have peeked at stuff I sometimes mention in win98 forum?
I may have posted two or three messages in here.
tickles my vanity, tho
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Had a IDEA it would work. LOL
[I lie also]
As it is that time of year, I suggest surges, spikes and static electricity be brought forth first. As some members have been on the wrong end of these lately.
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How about the following topics?
1) Considerations (Do I have the skill? Pep-talks. What to be aware of before you start.)
2) Preparations (What do I need?)
3) Shopping (might be split into several sections..?) - what to look for.
4) Assembling - make a plan. How to test.
5) SW - installation. What do I really need?
6) Maintenance and upgrading.
By the way, maxx, that was Mark Twain who said "The rumors of my death..."
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JTdoom, You have helped in alot of ways plus we need your expertise. Think of it as recruitment for a nobel cause. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
kallikru, Good ideas, let's see if we get some others. Then we can put everything together. Maybe think of it form the stand point of " I want to build a computer but don't have enough knowledge to know where to start."
Train - And your point is? LOL
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It...is...ALIVE!!! ALIIIIVVVVVVE!!!
Preferable to being dead Bistro.
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Agreed, agreed! Once more into the breach, dear friends! Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead! I have yet begun to fight!
(That last one was an "error" message Windows gave me when I tried to correct something....)
Good to see this going on.... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Bistro and Train, Need your thoughts on our agenda also, since you were in when started. Thar's work ta do - Saturday be hang. As you said Bistro " Full torpedoes ahead" That's not right. Ohhhhhh Well. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I'm taking a nap while you get after it. Delegate Delegate !!! There's people wanting to build computers and just don't know it yet. LOL
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As I posted above:
As it is that time of year, I suggest surges, spikes and static electricity be brought forth first. As some members have been on the wrong end of these lately.
And how about surge protector requirements?
I'll bet most do not meet the 1 nanosecond part.
EDIT:
Here is a starter
A better what is required
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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 05-26-2001).]
Well!
Ya bunch a possums! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
I had already begun the arrangements.
Ya and you probably knew too QoH. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ What would you suggest first since you did it first. We are seeing some good ideas, but I tend to lean toward what Train suggested first since this has got to be covered and it would help how many others now. This would also give time to line up our subjects and give everyone that wants to time to make a contribution.
There are many members who have built that could probably add things that they went through. The little how to's and hands on thingys that are never covered but that are important.
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hi booyz and gaalz
this tidbit has been sitting in one of my drives and I never thought I'd post it.
it was something I copied from the intel fora when those I participated in were still up.
that was about a year ago,
but still, you can have a look at it, and have a laugh or two.
the question was;
Where can i find info on each of intels processors. Comparing each chip to the next one up the line ?
a member called Megabrain put this up.
and I saved it for posterity https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
http://www.intel.com/intel/museum/25...f/hof_main.htm http://support.intel.com/support/pro...iumiii/poc.htm
F = 100 FSB, FC-PGA BX80526F850256E
C = 133 FSB, FC-PGA BX80526C933256E
H = 100 FSB, SECC2 BX80526H850256E
U = 133 FSB, SECC2 BX80526U933256E
Cpuid util http://grafi.ii.pw.edu.pl/gbm/x86/cpuid.html
Pentium(R) III Processor Specification Update: http://support.intel.com/design/pent...pdt/244453.htm
Intel(R) Celeron(TM) Processor Specification Update: http://support.intel.com/design/cele...pdt/243748.htm
Pentium II Processor Specification Update: http://support.intel.com/design/pent...pdt/243337.htm
Megabrain's ICOMP Estimates LOL
Processor L2 cache size L2 cache speed MMX extentions
486 008Kb On Motherboard Adjustable None
Pentium 016Kb On Motherboard Adjustable None
PentiumMMX 032Kb On Motherboard Adjustable Original MMX instructions
Celeron 128KB Speed of the processor Original MMX instructions
PII 512KB Half processor speed Original MMX instructions
PIII 512KB half processor speed ORig. MMX. plus SSE
Core Voltage Settings.
3DNOW 2.20 - 2.40v MMX/3DNOW AMD K6-2, K6-3
MMX 2.70 - 2.90V MMX 150-233/CYRIX 6X86L
ODPSTD: 3.135V - 3.600V INTEL STD
VR: 3.3V-3.465V INTEL STD
VRE: 3.45V-3.6V CYRIX/AMD K5
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/index.html
P4 - Intel486 DX Processor
P24 - IntelDX2 Processor
P24C - IntelDX4 CPU (OEM version)
P24D - Write-Back enhanced IntelDX2 Processor
P24T - Pentium® OverDrive® Processor
P23T - Intel486 SX or DX OverDrive Processor
P23 - Intel486 SX Processor
P23N - Intel487 SX Processor
P5 - 5V 60/66 Mhz Pentium® processor
P54C - 3.3V Pentium processor
P55CT refers to the Pentium with MMX(TM) technology.
The "T" at the end refers to an OverDrive processor.
P6 - Pentium® Pro processor,PentiumII, Celeron, XEON
Merced - future product
S - processor has "SL enhanced" power management features
"Klamath' - PentiumII .35 micron 2.2 Volt
'Deschutes' - PentiumII/Celeron .25 micron 2.0 Volt
'Mendocino' - PentiumII/Celeron .25 micron
'Katmai' - PentiumIII .25 micron
'Tanner' - PentiumIII Xeon .25 micron
'Coppermine' - PentiumIII .18 micron
'Cascades' - PentiumIII Xeon .18 micron
'Merced' - PentiumIII Itanium .18 micron
http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/...s/quickref.htm http://www.intel.com/mobile/performance/index.htm http://www.intel.com/procs/perf/PentiumII/index.htm http://www.intel.com/procs/perf/icomp/index.htm
233MMX Upgrades for Older Systems.
http://www.kingston.com/turbo/tc233wp.asp http://www.powerleap.com/plprommx_233.htm http://www.conceptmfg.com/speedchipfeatures55c.html
Megabrains Estimated Icomp 3.0 Processor Speed = 2.59 Times ICOMP2 LOL!!!
Multiply ICOMP2.0 * 10 and get ICOMP 1.0
Pentium III 800 -----------------------------------------------------------1038/2690
Pentium III 750 ----------------------------------------------------------980/2540
Pentium III 700 ---------------------------------------------------------934/2420
Pentium III 650 --------------------------------------------------------876/2270
Pentium III 600E ------------------------------------------------------814/2110
Pentium III 600 -----------------------------------------------------745/1930
Pentium III 550 ----------------------------------------------------687/1780
Celeron 533 ---------------------------------------------------650/1683
Pentium III 500 --------------------------------------------------637/1650
Celeron 500 -------------------------------------------------612/1585
Celeron 466 ------------------------------------------------592/1533
Pentium III 450 -----------------------------------------------579/1500
Pentium II 450 ---------------------------------------------483/1250
Celeron 433 -------------------------------------------460/1191
Pentium II 400 ------------------------------------------440/1130
Celeron 400 -----------------------------------------394/1011
PentPro ODP 333 ----------------------------------------387/1002
Pentium II 350 ---------------------------------------386/1000
Pentium II 333 --------------------------------------366/947
PentPro ODP 300 -------------------------------------351/909
Celeron 366 ------------------------------------344/890
Pentium II 300 -----------------------------------332/859
Celeron 333 ----------------------------------318/823
Pentium II 266 ---------------------------------303/784
Celeron 300A --------------------------------296/766
Pentium II 233 -------------------------------267/691
Celeron 300 ------------------------------226/585
Pentium Pro 200 -----------------------------220/569
Celeron 266 ----------------------------213/547
Pentium MMX 233 ---------------------------203/525
Pentium Pro 180 -------------------------197/510
Pentium MMX 200 ------------------------182/471
Pentium Pro 150 -----------------------168/435
Pentium MMX 166 ----------------------160/414
Pentium 200 ---------------------142/367
Pentium 166 --------------------127/328
Pentium 150 -------------------114/295
Pentium 133 ------------------111/287
Pentium 120 -----------------100/259
Pentium 100 ----------------90/233
Pentium 090 ---------------73/189
Pentium 075 -------------57/147
Pentium 066 ------------55/142
Pentium 060 -----------50/129
486DX4 100 ----------44/114
486DX2 066 ---------30/77
486DX 050 --------25/65
486DX 033 -------17/44
486SX 025 ------10/26
386DX 033 -----7/18
386DX 025 ----5/13
386SX 025 ---4/10
386SX 020 --3/7
386SX 016 -2/5
075 =1.5 x 050
090 =1.5 x 060
100 =1.5 x 066
100 =2.0 x 050
120 =2.0 x 060
133 =2.0 x 066
150 =2.5 x 060
166 =2.6 x 066
180 =3.0 x 060
200 =3.0 x 066
233 =3.5 x 066 >Many Times Remarked as Fake PentiumII 350
300 =4.5 x 066 >Many Times Remarked as Fake PentiumII 450/OC Celeron 300A
333 =5.0 x 066 >OVERCLOCKED Celeron 500 LOL!!
350 =3.5 x 100
400 =4.0 x 100
450 =4.5 x 100
iCOMP®Index 1.0:
Pentium 166 MHz: 1340
Pentium 150 MHz: 1195
Pentium 133 MHz: 1110
Pentium 120 MHz: 1000
Pentium 100 MHz: 815
Pentium 90 MHz: 735
Pentium 75 MHz: 610
Pentium OD 83 MHz: 581
Pentium 66 MHz: 567
Pentium 60 MHz: 510
Pentium OD 63 MHz: 443
IntelDX4 100 MHz: 435
IntelDX4 75 MHz: 319
IntelDX2 66 MHz: 297
IntelDX2 50 MHz: 231
IntelSX2 50 MHz: 180
i486 DX 33 MHz: 166
i486 SX 33 MHz: 136
i486 DX 25 MHz: 122
i486 SX 25 MHz: 100
i486 SX 20 MHz: 78
LOL See the Omissions at http://support.intel.com/support/pro...el386/7032.htm http://pentium.intel.com/procs/perf/icomp/ http://www.intel.com/procs/perf/pix/icomp.gif http://www.intel.com/procs/perf/pix/retailq2.gif http://www.intel.com/overdrive/images/icomp2_2.gif http://www.intel.com/procs/perf/icomp/index.htm http://www.intel.com/overdrive/piiod...orm/icomp2.htm
100MHz to 200MHz Pentium(R) Processors http://developer.intel.com/design/pe...ref/241557.htm
166MHz to 233MHz Pentium(R) Processors with MMX(TM) Technology http://developer.intel.com/design/in...ref/243286.htm
DIVIDE THIS NUMBER BY 3.82 AND GET APPROX Icomp2 LOL
Main Processor: 8088, 4.7 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 1.0
Main Processor: 80286, 12 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 8.9
Main Processor: 80386DX, 25 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 25.7
Main Processor: 80386DX, 33 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: None Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 34.4
Main Processor: 80486DX, 33 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: (Built-In) Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 71.7
Main Processor: 80486DX2, 66 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: (Built-In) Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 141.7
Main Processor: 80486DX4, 100 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: (Built-In) Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 193.1
Main Processor: Pentium, 60 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: (Built-In) Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 190.1
Main Processor: Pentium, 90 MHz Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: (Built-In) Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 285.2
Main Processor: Pentium, 200 MHz MMX Serial Ports: 2
Co-Processor: Non-Intel 80387 Parallel Ports: 1
Computing Index (CI), relative to IBM/XT: 680.6
Some Useful Info is here: http://www.yourvote.com/pci/
Identify your chipset and PNP devices with ctpci330.zip http://www.ping.be/bios/files/util/ctpci330.zip
Identify your motherboard with ctbios.zip http://www.ping.be/bios/files/util/ctbios.zip
http://support.intel.com/support/mot.../GRFXLOGO_.htm http://support.intel.com/support/mot...440bx/logo.htm http://www.worldowindows.com/w95tips.html#0220
These are small and very useful utilities:
ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/ctpci330.zip (DOS)
ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/ctsi/ctpciw.zip (Windows 9x)
For a very extensive info on your hardware try: http://www.toms.net/rb/
PPGA Celeron 300A Overclocked to 450Mhz
PPGA Celeron 366 Overclocked to 550Mhz
PPGA Celeron 566 Overclocked to 850Mhz
remember; this info is about a year OLD
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