There is one idea for helping to reduce global warming that I saw recently on a documentary that does seem workable and practical, which involves nothing more toxic than seawater:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6354759.stm
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There is one idea for helping to reduce global warming that I saw recently on a documentary that does seem workable and practical, which involves nothing more toxic than seawater:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6354759.stm
The only problem is that water vapour is a worse greenhouse gas that CO2.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSparks
It hasn't been mentioned here yet but let's remember that plants absorb co2 and give off...oxygen. Humans breathe in oxygen and expel...co2.:p
We need more plants...fewer people!!:D
Along with my "Shaved Heads Society", lets also form the "Hold Your Breath Society". So...while we stand outside each day at high Noon for 15 minutes, we can also hold our breath for at least one minute and that will help cut down on the co2 emissions..helping offset global warming.
Okay...this is getting real silly...about as silly as the accusation that Humans are the cause of this warming period...:p
I'm cold.....
I forwarded your post to Al Gore, and he replied: "Aha! More proof of global warming! I'll sell him some carbon offsets to ease his conscience.":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximilian
Seeing as how you brought it up......;)
This carbon offset thing is a bunch of horsht....:rolleyes:
Essentially....if carbon mismanagement is truly the cause of environmental decay, this program says the rich can keep on wrecking the place, but everyone else better buy a good pair of walking shoes and some long underwear.
Just what the country needs....another class distinction....carbon-rich and carbon-poor.:rolleyes:
Just the way Hollyweird wants it. They don't have to sacrifice a thing, just pretend they care by paying someone to plant a tree. Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximilian
Weyerhauser and Scott Paper plant more trees in one minute than all the liberals will in ten years.
I have two bonsai trees....about 6 inches high.....
What's my carbon offset rate for planting them? :D
Keep in mind....as goofy as this carbon offset thing sounds....that was a basic tenent of the Kyoto Protocol which the US took a beating for not ratifying. It allowed industrialized countries (major energy users) to go to undeveloped nations....buy their unused energy quotas....and use them at home. In theory...those undeveloped nations would take all that cash and put it into developing their nations with "green" energy sources. A supposed win-win situation and a free lunch....:rolleyes:
Yeah...............that would happen...........:rolleyes:
BTW....an interesting part of the Kyoto Protocol? China....the world's second largest producer of CO2 (soon to be first) is exempt....and is building a coal burning power plants at a rate of one a week.
And I see no reason to brush my teeth as they will simply get dirty again.
Yes, the earth is getting warmer but not, I repeat NOT, all because of human activities. What about animal flatulence (methane, a greenhouse gas!), natural decay of organic activity in bogs and swamps (methane, again), volcanic activity (carbon dioxide), natural wildfires sparked by lightning (carbon dioxide). Man has control over none of those activities, yet they contribute to greenhouse gases. What is occuring is just a natural climate variation that man has little or no control over. I have never had much patience for all the chicken little tree huggers out there, now I have NO PATIENCE for them. I remember well that during the winter of '76/'77, which was very bad, an ice age was coming because the earth had tilted from 23.5 degrees on its axis or some such bulls**t reason. What happened to that?? The biggest chicken little out there, Al Gore with his $22,000 PER MONTH electric and natural gas bill, has lost whatever precious little credibility he had. He did invent the internet, remember?!?!?!?!? HOW DARE YOU (as a member in good standing of the liberal, America is Evil crowd) PREACH AT ME AND PRODUCE PROPAGANDA TO TRY TO GUILT TRIP ME (An Inconvenient Truth) when I don't use that much electricity in 3 or 4 YEARS. All the tree huggers need to take a bath and leave the rest of us alone--the smell of their body odor has damaged their brains. If you want to live in the stone age, that's your business, but I don't, so leave me alone and leave me out of it.
Tree huggers! Are there tree huggers in here! I had no idea ... I for one give my utility company the big FU by burning wood. Works quite nicely...
Shame on you for contributing to global warming by burning. Don't you have enough blankets that you don't have to burn anything for heat. Don't you have enough insulation in your house to keep the ambient temperature warmer than outside? Oh wait, forget that. Agriculture is bad for the environment, as is manufacturing, so never mind the insulation and blankets. Can't you get enough dogs to keep you warm. Crap, scratch that. Can't do that, that's exploitation of animals, that'll piss off the PETA animal rights wackos. Oh wait, yeah that'll work. Pissin' of the PETA nutjobs, that is. Is there any chance of pissing off comrade Hillary while we're at it?
Well now you're just being stupid.
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Originally Posted by Abhoth
Better yet....we can just stop eating and drinking entirely...fill our mouths with formaldehyde and clear lucite...and sew up our lips. Thus preserving our teeth for future generations to look at.....
Of course....we would be killing ourselves in the process....but our efforts will undoubtedly be enshrined in annals of human history as martyrs to the cause of tooth preservation.
Yes....I know....I am a PITA smart-aleck......:D :p
But seriously.....despite what you all may have heard....over-caution can be just as dangerous as under-caution. If you are going to disrupt a delicately balanced economy....put people out of work...alter the way every industry operates, then I think you should have all your ducks in a row at the very least. From what I have seen....the ducks aren't aligned, some are missing....and some seem to have an agenda. ;)
That's the trouble with those pesky ducks.....they don't line up when you expect them to. :D
We didn't go off half-cocked when the climate boys were predicting an ice age. Why go off half-cocked now that they are predicting a greenhouse? And if the answer is, "Well...the science is at a higher level now than it was back then." All I can say is.....the political influence is too.
My stance is this: Were this a court case and I was a juror....humans would be found not guilty. That's not the same as being innocent....it simply means that the case against them has not been made beyond a reasonable doubt. But hey...OJ Simpson walked too....so alot depends on what jury you have. I understand that....but my point is that you need to have a damn good case if you plan to curtail how people live....and make a living....
I was trying to make a joke, but if I have to explain it......Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhoth
You're all funny, good luck with that.
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by rednek tek
{edit} the whole thread is a joke ~ thus, take nothing too seriously. {end edt}
OK. Sorry that I took your reply wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abhoth
Funny?
Hey now.....:mad:
I just spent $1500 on a root canal and a crown. I know something about dental work......:D :p
You sound like someone who hasn't bothered to watch the video.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Abhoth
That's OK....most haven't....and Google seems to have moved (removed) the video for some reason (copyright? ). No worries....someone else has uploaded it...and I found it for you....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arming+swindle
See....that's the kinda guy I am...willing to go the extra mile.....:D
Yes, I must apologize... as I did not place an addendum on my post re: "tooth brushing" ... I did not specify that it was a sarcastic reference to the "third world countries" and the "China" thing... blah blah ...!
So, we do brush our teeth don't we kids! I for one brush the hell out of 'em and it makes not difference! Gotta love those root canals and all the dollars they cost... I'm sure it's due to global warming of some sort, not caused by humans without a doubt... have we exacerbated the situation, no doubt!
{edit} Yes Max, I've watched the video, both videos... and many more videos dealing with the "issue". You seem to feel you have the "right" opinion on the matter. Thus, there is no reason to differ within this thread... hence the "joke".
In addition, the thread title is "Global warming....A Hoax?" But then it all seems to be about whether or not we humans caused it. So who knows what to debate !?!? hence the "joke" {end edit}
See now....you are catching on. ***** happens sometimes......and there's nobody to blame.....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Abhoth
No dentist in the world will guarantee you will never have a cavity, no matter how much you brush. And that's really what this is all about...at a core philosohpical level, anyway. Human beings simply cannot accept the fact that sometimes we aren't in control. It's scary to us. We would rather grasp at any theory...including a suicidal one....rather than accept the possibility that we just might be a minor passing phase in the life of the planet....just like the dinosaurs.:eek:
Just saw your edits......
Of course I think I am right on the issue. What...I am going to post..."Gee folks....I want to post a whole bunch of things I don't believe in" That would be pretty silly....now wouldn't it? I can't help ya if you are having trouble determining what to debate. Seems obvious to me what is being discussed.:confused:
But discussion (or lackthereof) is why there is such a problem here...globally. Where was the discussion? I woke up one morning and everyone was telling me I was killing the planet and when I questioned that....I was immediately a pawn of evil industrialist, conservative, planet-murdering, money-hungry, CO2 spewing tyrants. This human-based global warming thing was shoved down my throat without so much as a 'by your leave'. Sorry....call me strange...but that kinda bothered me...ya know? I sorta wanted to know the facts....hear the other side, etc. Funny....but I like to know what I am swallowing.;)
See now.....it's 4 AM.......and I should have been in bed long ago...:eek:
Damn global warming.....now it's causing me to stay up to ungodly hours. Wasn't bad enough that it was causing the oceans to rise....now it's causing me to lose sleep. :mad:
Now THAT is something important, that needs to be addressed................dammit.........
:D
But remember what they said in the film Maxx, if we don't get with the program and start believing in man-made global warming, it'll put tens of thousands of "scientists" in the global warming industry out of work :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximilian
Hmph, it's not much but it's a good start.
"scientist"...what a mis-used and abused title! That term, 'scientist', should stand for an educated person that approaches a problem with an open mind...one who carefully and methodically examines the evidence...formulates hypotheses and carries out experiments to either prove or dis-prove the hypothesis...and lets the results determine the validity or non validity of the stated problem...and then will stand behind those results.
Too many mainstream 'scientists' are working for large institutions and corporations that pay their salaries and, as a result, have compromised their 'scientific' integrity in order to keep their cushy job. As has already been stated, these 'scientists', with their lofty title of 'Scientist' are just paid mouth pieces for their bosses.
There are, however, many 'scientists' that have been, for many years, working at exposing the hypocrisy and the corruption within the "scientific community".
For generations now, the title 'scientist' has stood for a highly educated person, a person of great ethical and even moral character...a person with an open and inquisitive mind...one who will not be swayed by emotion or hysteria...one who will methodically examine the evidence and let the results speak for itself. ( I know...I stated this already at the beginning...but it bares repeating)
We've come a long way from that definition.
Good....a new angle.....;)
Just as an aside here...or to perhaps move on to another issue since we won't (any of us) be changing our minds anytime soon..... :D
Science has made so many strides in just the past couple hundred years.....we have so much technological advancement....that we forget it is prone to error just as any other field of endeavor. Fortunately, science is self-correcting if left alone and given time.
There's a story I like to use as an analogy in cases like this where there is a scientific split. Several decades ago, the entire medical community was absolutely convinced that stress and stomach acid was the source of stomach ulcers. The prescribed treatment....lighten up and eat bland foods, and take antacids. This treatment was standard for just about any doctor. This was a closed case as far as researchers were concerned. That is...except for two pioneer doctors named Barry Marshall and J. Robin Warren. They had a completely different take on peptic ulcers. They looked at the very same evidence and saw something strange. Not just stomach acid....but a bacteria (later called Helicobacter pylori). They hit the research labs for years and built a case for this bacteria as the cause of ulcers...not stress. Their colleagues laughed at them. Afterall....all the other doctors had pegged stress-induced stomach acid...period...end of story. They persisted, however.
To make a long story short....these two doctors were eventually awarded a Nobel Prize for physiology when their findings were confirmed. Those findings were that roughly 90% of ulcers are caused by this bacteria (not stress) and is treated with an antibiotic.
The point is this....
You can have an entire scientific community in absolute total agreement....and they can still be wrong. What would have happened if these two doctors had stopped researching when told they were way off the scope? Like I said....science is self-correcting....but leave it alone. You should never tell a scientist that the problem is already solved...don't bother looking there.
And in that same vein of self-correcting science.....
Have you guys heard the recent reports about CPR? Turns out we have been doing it wrong for the past 40 years or so....:eek:
Recent research shows that instead of giving breaths (to a heart attack victim) between compressions....you are now supposed to skip the breaths and just do the compressions. Turns out that a victim given both breaths and compressions is twice as likely to die than one just given chest compressions.
Where did you get this info. from on CPR? I've always heard that assisting a person's breathing is very important as well as chest compressions.
The primary source is The Lancet....but here is a summary.....
http://www.rxpgnews.com/cardiology/C...le_18961.shtml
Essentially....the time you take to give breaths takes away from the time you spend on compressions which are more important.
BTW....as I understand it....this is only in reference to cardiac victims. Drownings, smoke inhalation, etc. might still get breaths I believe. Don't quote me, though....;)
http://www.mycprpros.com/new_cpr_ins...uidelines.html
FYI ;)
shows old and new guidelines ;)
Thanks for the links. I didn't want you to think I was doubting you, it just seems like you always here one thing (from the media), then all of a sudden it's been contradicted!
Just for the heck of it, I'll ask my friend's hub - he's an ER Nurse - just to see what his take on it is.
What's really amazing is how much the procedure has been simplified in general....
I have been certified (and re-certified) many times over the years....but I recall my first one back in high school health class. Getting certified was a class requirement and they were very precise. Cascade beathing (4 breaths)at the right pressure. No more than two compressions outside the proper depth (over or under) range....it was tough to pass the course. The "Annie" dolls we used had a paper recording tape that ran during the test which measured everything you did....
That was then....
The last time I got recertified about 5 years ago...all we did was sit in a room and watch the instructor. Then he passed out the cert cards.....and we all had coffee and donuts. :rolleyes:
I am glad they've simplified CPR though. 30:2 is a lot easier to remember.
Donuts...won't that almost guarantee someone will be doing CPR on you one day? ;) :D
Well...all my certs come through my union now....and all they are really concerned with is being able to tell employers "All our members are certified". Saving a life is second to keeping everyone employed and the union dues flowing. :D
Sure hope my union bosses aren't around here. I could end up at the bottom of the river with cement overshoes.... :eek:
Then when the police start looking for me....they will tell them, "Yeah....he's outta town today, got a problem wit dat?"
:D
Having now watched the first 22 minutes of the video, the most interesting idea to me so far is the idea of a rise in temperature as a cause of the CO2 increase, instead of the other way around, with an 800 year lag between temp increase and CO2 increase. I had never considered the possibility of that relationship and don't recall ever hearing it mentioned by the "drive by media". It makes sense though when thought through. Warmer temperatures means more organic decay, which in turn means more generation of CO2, methane, water vapor and other greenhouse gases. It seems to me that increased CO2 should eventually level off as O2 levels begin to increase, then level off due to more plant growth, at which point an equilibrium of sorts will be achieved. The one thing that will remain pretty much constant regardless of any other outcomes is the level of nitrogen in the atmosphere, which for the record is about 75% of the atmosphere. The only nitrogen that is useful to life is nitrogen suspended in the soil, which is a fertilizer, and is deadly to plants when there is too much of it. Otherwise, nitrogen is mostly just an inert waste product to both plant and animal. Has anyone considered that NOx, oxides of nitrogen, which is supposedly a pollutant, could actually be natures way of putting excess oxygen out of commission so that the atmosphere does not get dangerously saturated with O2? Why would that be a problem you say? Well, three things are needed to start a fire--fuel, O2, and heat. But to propose ideas such as these requires real ideas, thought, science, and honest analysis which the global warming politicos/hypocrites such as Al Gore are not interested in.
Here is an interesting visual that helps to put things in perspective.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Solar_System_Relative_Size.htm