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Max, at the first sign of bootup, hit the esc key. That will get into the Bios. On your emachine, go into it and look around. Dont worry about looking around and even checking what settings are in there. Just make sure that when you want to leave just hit the EXIT WITHOUT SAVING CHANGES. Then you will be fine.

I would advise you to go into the emachine and learn how to move around in the bios and what is in there. That way when you start your build, you wont be so worried about doing the setup phase of the hardware....

BTW, the only stupid question is the ones you dont ask. Just my opinion on that one...

Atleast in this Thread you can ask questions and not get treated like you are an idiot.. Thanks Everyone.....

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Max: Sure. AMD-approved ps's will work for both. Even some "regular" power supplies can work for the AMD chips/mobos, but you're tossing the dice going that route. Check HERE for approved power supplies--will have to supply the form factor (ATX) and processor. Whatever way you go, make sure the ps is at least 300 watts. If you go with a full tower and plan to add more devices, go with a 400 watt.
Edit: Now...I have seen a few examples of full towers that the owner put two 300w power supplies in--one on top of the other (with a little modding). Plenty of power connectors to go around https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. Not a bad idea as long as you got good air flow and both are plugged into a good surge protector. Makes the dang thing heavy as all get-out... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/



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Bistro, are you modding before building by chance?
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I see Train surfaced.

Nite All.

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Bistro,

OK...now I get it.Sorry it took about a page of posts to get it through my thick skull...hehe https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Thank you for information. Here's the plan. I'm going to buy a InWin S500 case with an AMD approved, 300watt PS. Once I have it in my grubby little hands, I'll be looking into the mobo and processor.

Dodge,

Your information is headed for the printer. Thanks. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Like Dodge said, no "idiots" here, just folks who want to know and learn. No such thing as "dumb questions"--ask away. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Gotta get my beauty rest (hey..I can always hope, right??). Nite all!

Maxx
A dumb question is one you do not ask, because without a answer, it will worry you the rest of life. Think of all the time you will have wasted https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. Fire away and teach us with your questions. Believe me, I learn daily, and do not feel up to pulling the sod over my head yet. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Bed time for me. Nite all.

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Morning all, Maxx and Dodge, The teacher always learns more than the student. The smallest question gone unasked can cost a person. I couldn't agree more with Train and Bistro.

Bistro, Haven't forgotten you JAVA stuff.

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Thanks for the support, gang. Going case hunting again today and tomorrow if necessary. If this fails, I'll whip out the credit cards and go online shopping. Found this huge yellow page directory in my desk. Turns out there are more shops around than I thought. You guys remember paper and ink, don't ya? I understand they used to use this stuff alot awhile back...hehe https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ See ya later.

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Went 'case hunting" awhile back. Was very successful, but the wife put her foot down when I tried to mount it on the wall in the den....

hmmmm...sounds a little too amorous there bistro...can't say I blame her.

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Queen of Hearts, Asked once before - got any more pictures or is all this classified. Don't be a stranger so much. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Ah, c'mon! Don't bother her...she's busy...been sending her email lessons on "How To Build a Cray Mainframe in Your Spare Time from Used PVC Parts".

Oops, sorry, was unaware of that effort. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/...but I have no spare time !

Hey, how do I get this purple pvc primer off my hands ? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Now we know https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
If a cray comes up missing, try to find the student. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Alcohol and time. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

I have had good luck with soap and water, Goop [auto mek an ics use it].

QOH
If you are plumbing your house, My hat is off to you. Then again, I remember making some special high voltage tools using that stuff. Did not want to get tickled by 440V at 100 + AMPS.

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greengoose, I figured that the phrase sufficient inner space just meant that it had plenty of space, for what every you wantd. But that is why I was wanting your alls advice on it. Also was wondering about the MB capability.

One other question, How do I find out what kind of MB my HP has in it? So I will know more about if it will work or not. Thanks....

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Basically you need to know what format it is--AT, Baby-AT, 'mini' (or 'micro')ATX, ATX; then pick the appropriate case. To I.D. the manufacturer, you can get the numbers off of it and go to
Motherboard Homeworld and find the manufacturer.

What's the model/number of your computer?

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Dodge
Here is yours.


http://www.directron.com/lib/directron/cs-black-in.jpg


and here is mine.
rather large.
http://www.targetpc.com/hardware/cas...0/Internal.jpg

I still like mine better.

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I remember Bistro saying the S500 had more room to work in and he and Train went into the subject of cases in one of the earlier threads. That's why mine will be an S500 or the full tower. Why the full tower. For modding etc. down the line. My advice is build on this thread and you won't make any mistakes. And ask your questions but don't delete them if later they sound silly to you. Use them to measure growth. With the regulars on this thread and the visitors that jump in you have it all going for you. These people are the tops in working knowledge of any anywhere. You would not believe how far you can go with these people in a short time and that's when you realize how much you don't know. That's when you can really start to learn.

For myself I feel privaleged to know these many fine people who help the rest of us. Take it to the bank.



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Hey guys, want to hear a good one? I was going through my newly found yellow page directory. I go to the Computer Parts and Supplies section and find a place called "Computer Goodies". Needing to go out anyway, I don't bother to call ahead. Into my Honda I hop and off I go. Here's a transcript of what happened at "Computer Goodies":

ME: Do you carry ATX cases?
CLERK: Yes we do.
ME: Good, do you have an Inwin S500 mid-tower?
CLERK: No. We don't carry InWin.
ME: What kinds do you have?
CLERK: We have two "Generic" ones.
ME: What wattage is the PS. Is it AMD approved?
CLERK: I think it is 250 watts. What do you mean AMD approved?
ME: Has the PS been approved by AMD for their chips?
CLERK: It doesn't matter. It will work for all boards.
ME: Let's skip the case. What kind of motherboards do you carry? Abit?
CLERK: We don't carry motherboards.

Keep in mind, "Computer Goodies" is listed under Computer Parts and Supllies. And I thought I was lacking in hardware knowledge. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Better luck tomorrow I hope. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Train, Ran across this while I was looking for something else. Look down about halfway and you will see a fractul screensaver with an interesting feature. Besides that the whole site is neat.

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maxx: OW! OW! OW! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ You didn't go to a computer store. You must have got caught in a dimensional warp and entered into the Land of IDunno...glad you're back!

The Queen of Hearts ran into the same thing maxx and her story was hilarious. Those salesman are not trained to be techs. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 04-30-2001).]

Wait, I forgot the best part. When I got home and re-checked the yellowpage listing, they had a website, too. If you can call it that.

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*Hmmmmm...wonder if Compguy Pete would consider a proposal renaming VDr to "Happy Computers Meeting Place"....

Thanks goose ,

Maxx, That is a website, true, and they only have two items for sale. LOL ROF

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Rare form tonight, Bistro. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Thanks for the info. I will take the case apart and get the numbers off the MB tomorrow and check that site out.

There is a huge difference in the two cases. Thanks train.....

Max, welcome back to living and half way insane. Checked that site out, if there store isn't any better than the site, then I sure wouldn't want to help pay their salary..

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Train,

Tomorrow, I use the telephone first, before I go anywhere... Good for a laugh, though. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Bistro,

I made your anthem famous by adding it to the Theoran page. Check the link in the comments forum thread. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Dodge,

You would have laughed your a$$ off at this place. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Dodge, be careful of static electricity and such. Got an anti static wrist Guard? Those individual componets are small and it doesn't take much to upset them onthe boards.

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I have recently built a very nice machine using the AMD Athlon 900 processor for well under $1000, no monitor but you should be able to do it if you shop around carefully. If you want specifics on my machine I will send them....

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Bistro and train,

Thanks for lists. I posted in win98 awhile back for a place to get win98 full install. I do have a disk from MS for the second edition updates. They charged me about $24.00 for it. You guys know where 98 is still available. I really don't want to go to the on-line auctions. Just can't bring myself to trust them.

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MAXX That would be a de asster if there ever was one

Dodge The S500 is easier to work with. Believe me. Am about done working on this A500, Not home. Had to add the front fan and backdown the video card, so testing it out. Not bad, but I have BETTER

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Welcome to VirtualDr bjcurrie123 and yes please post your list. The more info the better. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Hi, I am a Computer Science and Elec eng student in college so I know a good amount about all this stuff, but I need some advice/help. I plan on as soon as I have money doing 1 of 2 things to my computer to upgrade. I will either jump up the speed of the CPU while leaving the motherboard the same, or get a dual processor motherboard and reuse my original chip until I can afford another to do the dual.
First situation....I have a Dell Dimension XPS T500 mhz computer, Pentium III, 256 MB RAM, Geforce 2 64mb video card,Windows ME (also have 98SE install CD if needed) and I plan on upgrading to Windows XP pending its release, etc. etc. the rest i dont think is too important. I want to, if possible, leave the motherboard the same and get a 1000mhz processor to throw in. Will this work? Since i did have a PIII and still will, will the motherboard handle this?
Second Situation. If I were to get a new motherboard that can handle dual processors how should I go about doing that? If possible I would like to keep my processor and put it in the dual capable motherboard and leave it at that until I can afford to get the processor/processors to make it dual run....Can I do this or do I need to get a different processor right away too? Is there any other things that will not perform right with this change? Do I need any kind of controller to keep everything smooth on a more complicated dual processor system?
And one last thing....for all the things I mentioned, what are the approx. prices I whould be looking for? Thanks a lot!! Josh Zimmerman

Train,

The "de asster" comment had me on the floor. It's a classic. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

bjcurrie,

Welcome aboard. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ That's what this thread is all about. I'm sure the wizards would love to critique your system. Besides, if we don't have something to talk about,greengoose won't have any more Delta threads https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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jjzimm
Dual prossessors, first your windows programs have to be written for then. NT and Some versions of NT are and they are intended for servers. So, bad news there for you.

Second:
Bistro posted this earlier and you need to do the same. But, I would recommend, because of your propietary system, to Build new as I do believe you will be happier.

Quote: Basically you need to know what format it is--AT, Baby-AT, 'mini' (or 'micro')ATX, ATX; then pick the appropriate case. To I.D. the manufacturer, you can get the numbers off of it and go to
Motherboard Homeworld and find the manufacturer.

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What numbers do I need to get off the MB to find the specs for it. These are the only ones I could find.. MS1981258-M6P675-B04-04565 and 9amt267382. I did a search of them and couldn't find anything. Thanks....

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Queen of Hearts

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