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Bingo...!!
Thanks a million, both of you! Didn't change much, but I'm adding it to my notes. I've noticed fewer Socket 370s and more 462s/478s coming my way lately, so I'm collecting this stuff in one reference folder for easy access.
lgbpop...since you handle a lot of socket A material I thought that you would be interested in this new Kingwin all copper cpu hsf that came in today. I was gonna wait until I got the 2000+ mobile...but I just had to find out how well it cooled this hot T-bird. The stock hsf was running about 56c to 58c ...this Kingwin is running 46c and as the AS5 cures, the temps will probably drop a little bit more....not bad at all. The fan is @5000 rpm...wow...and loud...but I'm gettting a separate Zalman fan controller to turn it down. It had the 3 point catch so it's real tight on the die. I hooked the fan up to my other rig...tied it into the fan controller and at about 7 or 8 volts it got a lot quieter so It will be a good cooler for the mobile.
Train...yea, I will have to experiment with the side fan. This Kingwin hsf is the "old" style...blows down onto the cpu so I'm thinking that since I will be turning the hsf down some, then the extra air coming it's way from the side fan will help the cpu temps....but who knows...but I will try each way and see.
Where'd you buy the Kingwin, and which one is it? I'll take a look. If the price was right I'd use it. I'm not fond of the stock HSFs on the Athlons, but I'm not retrofitting every machine I do with a Zalman or ArcticCooling, either.:)
Them copper heatsinks did help me cut thoses temps.
Yes you definately want those fans to blow into the heat sink.
Remember the heat has to be removed from the case and I do what ever it takes. The last XP 200 cpu I ended up using a 120mm fan and splitting the air with the video card. It worked wonders. Needless to say, that operation was a trial and error that worked. ;)
lgbpop...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835124002
So far so good with mine...it's rock steady at 47c...an all copper hsf for $9.99...the base is almost mirror like....no kidding!! Good workmanship...the fan has a nice grill cover....it better have...at 5000 rpm's you don't wanna get a finger in there!!
An update...The Athlon XP-M 2000+ arrived today:
AXMH2000FQQ3C
9272853280025
AIUHB0314WPPW
I haven't looked up what that stepping means in the o/c area...maybe later.
It installed easily...used AS5...and BTW, lgbpop...the retention bracket on the Kingwin has a nice rolled lip on the one side....makes pushing down on the bracket real easy...don't have to try and use a screwdriver.
Right now, the idle temp is 40c...nice!!
I have been doing some o/c'ing. So far: 1795 Mhz
cpu/pci...149/37
cpu/memory ratio...1:1
Multi....x12
FSB......150 Mhz
Bus speed.....299 Mhz
clocks: 3..3..4
Vcore...1.585
This board has PC133 ram at 266fsb. I'm surprised that I'm running at these speeds so far. I know that these sockets don't have a memory divider that makes o/c'ing real easy to do...and I'm not real familiar with using the 3:4 cpu/memory ratio setting...these sockets have "synchronous" and "asynchronous" settings. These 3:4 ratios kick in at x12 multi in Bios. I have tried quite a few different combinations but haven't yet found the right combination of Bios multi...cpu/pci...3:4 (?)...to get the ram speed down enough so that I can keep increasing the cpu speed without maxing out the ram.
lgbpop...Train...any suggestions? I think that the PC133 memory may quickly limit how much further I can take this....but I'm not sure...
I use CPU-Z to get most of the readings and I'm suspect of the Vcore temp. This chip was supposed to be 1.45v...CPU-Z shows 1.585-1.60....which is probably on the high side...but it's much cooler...that's fine with me!!
It's late...gotta get to bed...will play with the o/c'ing after work tomorrow.
Hopefullysome one tell you how to mess with the ram timings. I never have needed to do so. But , then again with the ASUS A7V 133 , I was able to use 149? /39 if I remember correctly. But my mobo would throw itself into the Default BIOS with the Default settings when I got to high.
Those voltages are for the duron, but are probably what is stabilizing you right now. Temp is fine!
Good morning, Train.
Just a quick note before work....In Everest, it has this chip listed as a Thoroughbred B....it's not important anyway, this chip is a good step up from the 1.4 T-bird and will be just fine for it's intended use...any bump up in speed is fine with me. When I get home this afternoon, I'll continue to increase the cpu/pci a step at a time and see where I lock up.
Later....
Just able to get to vdr and been trying all day. :(
Would not be the first cpu we have seen miss IDed.
"see where I lock up"
Just in case, be prepared to remove the mobo battery so the defaults can reload.
Little by little...:)
Right now I'm setting at 1907Mhz (1600 stock), with a FSB (memory freq.) of 159mhz...bus speed of 318mhz...cpu/memory ratio of 1:1...same core voltage.
This PC133 ram is rated to run at 133Mhz...correct? And right now it's running at 159Mhz, so I'm wondering just how much more it can go...sure would like to have been able to put the ram on a divider.
The A7A133 is rated for 266 Mhz bus speed...correct? And it is now at 318 Mhz...not sure about it's limit, either.
Overclocking these Socket A's are a lot different from the Athlon 64's...The 64's are easy to o/c....I still can't find any info explaining just how the cpu/memory ratio of 3:4 works...and what it means...I reckon that the ram & cpu can't be separated like the 64's can....oh well...:)
The Bios shows the multi to be x10 but cpu-z shows it to be x12...curious..
I made a graph and have been noting each setting for each step...I have about 30 steps recorded so far and it seems that keeping the ratio at 1:1 and with Bios multi at x10 is working the best. That 3:4 ratio is weird...that's what I don't understand well enough.
It's running real smooth so far....a 300 Mhz increase is not bad at all for this lowly ram..and board...:p
I'll take a few more steps...who knows...:D
I'm curious about that CPU/RAM ratio you refer to. On my KV7, I have the ratios expressed both against a third reference (GPU, I think) such as 5:2:1. Changing the ratio to 6:2:1 allows the CPU to run faster in relation to the RAM, or from the other relativity point it allows the RAM to be retarded a little. Speeding up the CPU/RAM does nothing more than bring the RAM back up to its normal speed. I would think the ratio you're talking about is a 4:3 CPU/RAM instead of a 1:1.
If you've ever worked on tuning an older car engine by setting the timing and idle speed, it's easy to visualize. Retarding the timing and raising the idle keeps the spark at the same absolute time reference, but the piston reaches TDC sooner by comparison.
lgbpop...this board must really be limited...no, wait, let me rephrase that...it is really limited..:p ! I have read thru the manual several times...made sure that I had the dip switches configured for jumper free...poked my nose into every corner of every Bios setting...and this board only has the cpu/memory ratio settings of 1:1...and 3:4. The 3:4 ratio doesn't become available until I choose Bios multi of x12 ( maybe also x11...would have to re-check that to be sure). It would sure help if I could do what your board can do...that would help get more speed without increasing the ram much.
The only other possible thing that might change the Bios options would be to flash to the beta version...but who knows if that would have any other Bios settings available.
I'm up to 1928 Mhz...161FSB...321 bus speed...same voltage.
3(CPU):4(RAM)? That's right, it's DDR. Not that limited, though...not many boards would take that much of an overclock. That's why I like Abit, they're pretty forgiving. That Asus is impressing me.
EDIT: I'm falling asleep, sorry for the RAM typo.:rolleyes:
Check for a updated manual online. And what you are wanting to do is double check the jumper settings which maybe are more liberal than the jumperless.
Very common with that series of mobos. Not all of them, but I know the A7V where. So double check.