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Sarrkasstic,
No problem. I just wanted to make sure I had said clearly (not that I did this time) what I may have been saying (whichever of the 10000 times it was) when I said it.
Goose, no problem. Sort till your heart's desire.
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hmmm
okay,
I was not gonna, but since goose mentioned he took an offer I made him in private, I can just as well have our peers vent their opinions on this.
I won't say what I let it go for, and I don't want offers either.
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in a way its too bad, but I need the room for hard disks, and I already have a IDE burnproof plexwriter.
Also, I am changing over to DVD since I buy most of my software on DVD nowadays...
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since this is gonna have to find a home in goose's machine(s) what you think about below?
there are pros and cons
maybe you can talk the goose out of this?
but you can most certainly point out the possibilities this opens, or the setbacks he might encounter.
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I use(d) this SCSI burning system
One plexwriter 8/2/20 (scsi burner, NON-burnproof, but it has a good buffer...)
One ultraplex 40 (scsi CDromdrive)
One wide PCI SCSI card, adaptec 2940AU.
One SCSI hard-disk, Quantum fireball, 6.4GB
two ribbons,
One spare SCSI card, ISA,
(I no longer need it, and having two controllers opens plenty options... You can easily see one can use them things in two machines with this spare kit.)
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CONs
SCSI increases boot up times
(a bit like network cards...)
its noisy
older mobo may not differentiate between scsi and highpoint or promise... the raid capable mobo had the option for scsi and raidchip.
a non "raid" mobo with highpoint PCI controller would have trouble knowing which to boot of once its set to boot to scsi
(so goose is gonna have to look inBIOS...)
(the 2940 adaptor itself can be set bootable or non bootable)
I should look at the other ISA to refresh my memory on it...
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are there PROs ?
The single one I thought of was that plextor burners have a fan in them, and weigh a ton
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Kind regards, Jaak
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Sarkazztic, Thanks for the concern, but remember this. Before something is done on BT
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Sarkazztic, Good point on the unshared PCI card and remember I have the Ultra ATA/100 PCI adaptor card. Gotta do a few things. Later.
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Jaak,
I don't know if you're saying goose is taking all those items, but... Also, don't know (and don't expect to know) the price their being offered at. That might factor in relative to other alternatives, but we'll put that aside.
The cdrom (PX-40TS): no real problem with that. A very good drive. A highly desired drive when it came out. High price was its leading drawback. Good performance, good audio extraction, will work nice in conjunction with the burner.
The burner (PX-W8220T: 2X rewrite is slow, painfull by today's standards. If goose is planning on doing a lot of cdrw stuff then... As a writer (for CD-R), 8X is also a bit slow. Not "dirt" slow, but... Actually, given it's a scsi and all it probably is equivalent to slightly faster IDE (that might not be able to burn at its full potential). More than likely for Goose's (and others) purposes it will be easily adequate (the speed). The buffer is decent (4meg I believe) and being that it is scsi it is guarenteed he will be able to write at 8X, even while doing other tasks on his PC. And it likely has capabilities exceeding the kind of stuff Goose will do with it (the type of burning/xcopying).
The hard drive: my only comment is why bother. But if he wants it...
The scsi card: fine.
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I don't think there'll be much of an issue with the 2940UA card. I use a 2940U2W card in a mavhine with a builtin HighPoint ATA 100 raid controller, and all that had to be set was the boot order. If you boot from the ATA controller you can't boot from the SCSI controller. This sets the order in which the drives/controllers are detected. Besides, if no bootable drive is set up in the SCSI bios (ctrl A) no bootable drive will be registered - no problemos..
Whether you should use a IRQ-sharefree PCI slot or not is a matter of taste. Sometimes a SCSI card may conflict with another device, sometimes it does not. The SCSI cards I use all share IRQs but doesn't cause any trouble because of this. So if you get a conflict, try the sharefree slot. If no conflict - well,....
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Goose,
So you are planning to use the maxtor ata100 card? Getting tight there. Ya got 5 PCI slots and for (potential and current) cards ya got sound, 56k modem, network (one at least, maybe two down the road), scsi, ata100 pci.
And don't just think exclusively about which card you want in the unshared slot (which by the way, I'm not sure the manual correctly reflects what's what). Give thought to the placement of other cards and what all that will mean to the eventual irq sharing scheme. Some choices are always better than others, even if they are compromises.
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Yes I know you have the I think maxtor pci card that is an add on...however you have the promise built into the asus a7v also...you do not necessarily need to put the maxtor card in bt....you can already have 8 ide devices in BT.....however Jaaks CDRW will need to have the pci scsi card installed and that will go much easier in the unshared pci slot 3....I see he has a isa slot scsi card also....interesting....it could be installed in the compaq if there is physical room for that large scsi drive....I may be confused are you getting everything that is on that list from jaak...ie pci scsi card, scsi cdrw, isa scsi card, and the 6.4 gig scsi hard drive? very envious just for the testing purposes of course....but pay heed to jaaks comment about the scsi card adding boot up time...(he says kinda like a network card) I have the promise raid card in my machine and I have not counted the seconds while it is displaying its information but I think it is approx 20 seconds just for that and also add in the factor that I already had a network card for some delay and I believe you are going to do the network down the road abit so that is going to add to your boot time...although you are probably more patient than anyone I have seen so far as demonstrated by all of your efforts yesterday and the fact that as we were all looking towards Graham and did not see any parts flying out the window or down the stairs and I know they would have been had they been here in springfield oregon....that whole machine have found the business end of my Remington.. : ) so a few extra seconds at boot up for you will allow you to grab the cup of coffee before you get into whatever the night may hold for you...
Now if you are planning on putting the maxtor ultra pci100 card into BT this raises concerns...I like the idea that you could theoretically have 12 ide devices in the machine however that is overkill even in the more is better book....and the main concern is putting that card in the machine AND the Scsi card that will control the cdrw and possibly the 6.4 gig drive....oh what the hey...this is going to be interesting...all in the name of science.....
Thanks DOC for the picture of Gene Wilder in Young Frankenstein yesteday I got a big laugh out of that....Its ALIIIIIIIVE....too funny.....it may be abby normal but very funny
The Maxtor ATA card is in a hold pattern. It is going into the Compaq, or was Just noted the ISA scsi card comment and he has those slots in the compaq. Hmmm.
Ideasssssssssss. Remember the 30GB limitation. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
The A7V mobo solved that problem in BT.
Get BT running the way he wants, monitor abilities, network, Get into and save stuff off of the BigFoot.
Kind of what I believe he wants to get done in the near [before New Years day] future.
Maybe not in that order, but the way he posts them https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ sounds more formitable.
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DrMdj, et al
it does open interesting options, and offers many angles.
some might be called footangles. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
yup, Goose might use (even temporarily, so he can transfer data) the drive in his compac
it ain't a very fast one, but 6.x giga is six giga...
the thing about boot order with other PCI controller (like a highpoint) is in fact quite easily overcome.
I had the abit hotrod and this adaptec in one machine, and could boot from both, if so desired.
Only thing was that when I wanted to boot into RAID, I had to move the card.
(described in the hotrod installation sheet)
funny part was, I could disable boot from raid in the hotrod setup (ctrl-H), and still boot to scsi (ctrl-A)
(I hardly ever used the scsi as boot drive, since it is no speedmonster. it's outclassed by any fast ata33)
in the non raid modo, with the hotrod, when I wanted to boot to raid, the sheet warned me I should not have an active drive on primary IDE...
the epox raid DDR mobo had the option to boot from IDE, ata100 highpoint, and scsi in BIOS... it had enough options to make me dizzy https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
anyhow, most folks do not move around the hardware much, once it is set up.
the basic use I got out of this stuff was primarily for data storage, and backup burning.
at the moment, I have a 30giga in a tray to hold important data, so I can let go of this "puny" 6 giga.
btw, trays and bays are interesting, but one can get into a drive letter hell https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
its a bit like the options goose already has.
In the manual for his mobo you find he can boot from IDE or ata100, sorta like a BIOS boot manager...
(this method is not recommended for running winME and 98 alongside, since ME creates restore folders on all drives, which 98 can have a problem with.)
anyway, I need the space for four identical 40 gig drives, which with a DVD and plexwriter just eats space... (yes, I intend to go with a striped mirror. Already have drivecoolers and such. I may have to hang on to that big noisy tower after all.)
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Kind regards, Jaak
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