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you must be psychic?
that's the board I am building a system around tonite.
(it's an K7VZA mobo, with KT133A/686B chipset, from ECS elitegroup, it has sound on board)
I just got my nose out of the printed version of that manual you linked to.
it does not tell me what is best, master or slave...
since I have to put a hardshake Elsa microlink modem in there, I assume I should set it as slave.
other question
the CPU to be fitted is a Duron 800
that particular board has a jumper for FSB selection.
I can choose 100 or 133 FSB by jumper
what should it be?
The SDRAM module is Apacer CL3 PC133
Lets hope I can use the bus to full potential.
I'm off to that AMD site..
you never gonna believe this,
but it's the first AMD I am building.
I have very VERY little experience on AMD driven machines.
(this choice was around tight budget, light office use. I chose a half decent 300W case, tho)
I'll be around, on and off.
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Kind regards, Jaak.
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There are PS/2, USB, Series and Parallel ports. Why are there different ports?
Because. Just.....because.
PS/2:Those two round plugs back there.(6-pin mini DIN plugs). For the keyboard and mouse. Older mice and keyboards may have serial plugs on them; in that case, they be plugged into the serial ports or an adaptor can be had to plug them into the PS/2 ports (preferable).
Serial ports: Usually two on a mobo. Commonly used for external modems, cameras, older mice, keyboards, some external CD-ROMs. Not in use all that much anymore really, but can still come in handy from time to time https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. Faster than the parallel port.
Parallel port: That big 25-pin connector. Commonly used for printers, external ZIP drives.
USB (Universal Serial Bus): Usually two on a mobo--those little half-inch slots. Actually a fancy fast serial port. Can attach USB scanners, printers, cameras, keyboards, etc. Don't have to shut off the system when you add/disconnect USB devices. With the proper hub, you can connect as many as 127 USB devices to the system. If you have that many devices, you are way too busy....or rich.
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The Duron supports the 100 fsb, for a 200.
Newer T'birds support the 133 fsb, for a 266.
DrMDJ.
A lot of contigencies must be covered. And what you posted would have cut a 6 month project to maybe a week or two.
Tried to post 5 times and hope this post. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Hi
GG1 asked what you can plug in an ISA or EISA?
your old trusted hardware FAX-modem
your old scanner card
your old sound card (many PCI and even ONBOARD will be a lot better than an old cheapo ISA, but there were real good ISA soundcards around)
actually, when you decide on a board which still has ISA, it was most likely because you have something you want to plug in there.
(people in the trade will usually still call it ISA.)
However, if this is a first computer, or you have no ISA cards you NEED to use, you are better off with a board that doesn't have them slots.
Most of them cards are resource huggers,
even the "Plug and Play" EISA usually are.
I did not say resource hungry, but the software they need they could be.
Yet they do slow you down because the PCI-to-ISA bridge has to be constantly scanned.
And they do not have a lot of plug and play capability. They often require THAT IRQ at this adress range, and cannot release it ...
What else could go in them?
an extra parallel port
your old SCSI card
even an old VGA card
or an old radio card
is it advisable you have them?
not really.
But once again, you may have a high quality scanner working on an ISA SCSI card, and then you would most likely want a slot for it.
the question was asked, I hope this is sufficient answer.
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Hi train,
yep, I corrected the error
FSB jumpers were set at 100 and viola.
Oh, I was typing on line.
would that be the secret to not being able to see the post come up?
I did not see yours.
that stuff about the ports was up, tho.
got to run setup on that duron.
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It takes a refresh to see https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Been surprised a number of times myself. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Bistro,
Only 2 reams? Perhaps I was too brief. By the way, when you order the paper don't forget to pink up a few barrels of ink.
Shinma,
Excellent board! Isn't that part of Aopen's LSD line?
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Question for the masses...
Earlier on GG1 asked about processors to avoid. What's everyone's feeling on the P4s? I know everyone hates them, they get knocked all the time. But seriously. Since these are current and Intel has been dropping the prices I could see a lot of people (who may prefer Intel over AMD) thinking of going in this direction. People being drawn in by its "advertised" speeds, people just being drawn to the latest-and-greatest.
Personally, I think these should not be on the recommended list, at least not the "general" list. I just don't think these are ready for prime-time. There are actually some very nice things about the P4, some nifty things were done. But many of the architectural changes Intel seems to have made also seem to be a problem. Not in all cases, but for the general home user/builder it would seem so. It just seems like due to a series of design compromises/changes coupled with the current state of software, the P4 will disappoint most typical home users (the way they use a PC, the things they do). In some regards the P4 seems like it's too complex, too "gee qiz" for its own good. Like Intel might just be too far ahead of the curve with it now. Is there anyone that wouldn't say go with the P3 instead (if you want Intel)? I mean when a p3-1gig can kick the crap out of p4-1.4gig doing some pretty standard operations...
Thoughts? Experiences? Recommendations?
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Read , I believe in Tomshardware a couple weeks back, that the Duron 600 beat the P4's rather badly. And would continue to do so until the programs are rewritten.
And I tend to believe what was posted HERE
Might even to be able to beat it with this older K6-2 380. Sure not looking good for that cpu at present. Seems the jury is still out on it.
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Hi Guys,
Still here - I just can't log on every day. However, I copy all the postings so I can read them at leasure.
One outstanding item-
4) Poly fuse for keyboard over-current protection?
And one clarification-
One posting said I need to buy a converter to PS/2 and another said that there was still a place to plug in my old keyboard https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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well,
it took a couple years before most programs were able to fully using MMX and/or 3Dnow capabilities.
I have followed the links maxximillian posted, and read stuff in there which mentions code compilers
it seems that (in a nutshell) when the code is optimised, the p4 stands its own against AMD, and even outperforms it.
But, at the current state of affairs, not many programs are re-compiled/optimised, and these seem to run faster on AMD and Piii
it also screams at programmers and the example I saw points out where many go wrong
one of these articles links no longer works
this article maxx posted is still found.
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at the moment I see that duron 800 run better than my piii600EB, but the EB machine has to run in a mobo of about a year old, and almost all slots are filled,
PLUS the fact it has been a while it saw a clean setup. (windows slows down over time)
whereas the duron is on a spanking new mobo
has only the AGP card in it (and it's a faster one by itself) and nothing much loaded yet.
the next days or so I'll try a few heavy apps on it, which hopefully won't scramble its bits and bytes guts, and I want to see how it copes with some more hardware thrown in.
I sure hope I wont have to straighten out many niggles. The guy paying this rig is not computer savvy, and did not require a scorcher.
But, if he has to cope with an unstable system, I'll be the dude he'll call.
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BTW,
this duron is a replacement for a IBM p75 he still used. The P75 CPU went nuts.
all I could test was tested, and it's the CPU? I still wanna completely rule out if it isn't the mobo at fault, but it's most likely the CPU.
anyway, I would still like to revive it, so I require a replacement P75, or P90, or P100.
I reckon his kids would love the duron, and he'd be happy with the old IBM for his office needs.
hehehee, I'm sure it would turn out this way https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ BIG GRIN https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
in short, I am in the market for an old (class one) Pentium, and my paypal don't work yet https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Ebays counterpart in Belgium is only so-so https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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My ASUS A7V has the serial connections for mouse and keyboard. Bought the board in Feb 2001.
So, this another thing to look for in the mobo as have read where some new boards do not have them. Guess it is like I do not have any isa slots as if I needed them.
EDIT: Here is one form of the adapter they were talking about
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Glyn,
The poly fuse is, as it says, a fuse in keyboard and usb port circuits that protects the MB against harmful voltages entering from these ports/connectors. If (for some reason) the fuse trips (cutting keyboardusb devices) it automatically resets itself after a period of time. Since it's not something that burns out or melts you never have to replace it.
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Train,
Yes, I've seen and heard reports of far "lesser" cpus beating the P4s under given circumstances. And it seems these "circumstances" might be the ones commonly faced on the typical home system.
Jaak,
Some of what you spoke of is what I was referring to in my initial post. Namely that a lot of capabilities of the P4 need to be programmed to, and much of the things in use (commonly) today aren't. Office apps, as an example, have been demonstrated to run worse on P4s. And your analogy to MMX is a good one. Like with that, programs are yet really written to exploit the instruction set additions and optimizations of the P4.
This all is why I raised to point in the first place. So that people will share what they've experienced, heard and/or read. It just seems like that, except in a few special cases, the P4s are something should avoid at this time.
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Hi Glynn
you noticed?
10 US Bucks for Mouse adapter Serial to PS/2
the other way round is much cheaper
PS2 to serial costs about 1.5 Bucks
and that kind of adaptor often comes with a PS-2mouse...
you can buy a PS-2 mouse for less than 10 Bucks
a new Keyboard doesn't cost much (as little as 8 Bucks for cheapoes)
but the adaptor should cost no more than 3 bucks
only when you have a good old robust reliable and expensive keyboard, it is worth getting one such adaptor.
btw, this is the price one pays when one upgrades components rather than get full systems.
so I'l comment on a few considerations about upgrading components versus replacing the full system...
you take a notebloc and start a cost/effect calculation
for instance.
I decide on a cheaper CPU I can find
suppose the slower one costs 140 Bucks and the fastest one avail for the mobo costs 350
a year later I wanna replace it
at that time, the much better one that still fits the mobo costs $140
you can bet your granny that your old one is worth only $30 when you wanna sell it
so you'd spend 250$ on a CPU
when that best one cost $350 you have "saved" $100
but you did not have the use of it for one year either...
the numbers ar hypothetical, but you should see see what I mean by them.
when one starts upgrading, one should also think about what money one could get selling the entire system, and what would happen if one gets an entire newer system.
When you estimate what you can get for it, you gotta be realistic.
and then take the cost of separate components
and weigh price against benefits
and consider drawbacks when keeping them
- #your new system would have a bottleneck if an old slow harddrive was used to boot from.
#you cannot always use the RAM you have in a newer system.
#the videocard you have may become a bottleneck.
#Etc. etc..
ad infinitum, ad nauseam
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