I feel that this thread has too many posts and the carbon dioxide it has produced is contributing to Global warming. I have a way of solving the problem though, I am going to put up the tax on keyboards, that will sort everything out :D
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I feel that this thread has too many posts and the carbon dioxide it has produced is contributing to Global warming. I have a way of solving the problem though, I am going to put up the tax on keyboards, that will sort everything out :D
And the earth is flat .... still! Could we please talk politics and religion here too!? Oh wait, me thinks we are... oh wait, better throw in the media too. They are the root of all evil as we all know...!
Damn, Abhoth beat me to it.
The Earth is flat..
Anyways, I think there's actually a lot of truth in both sides of this particular argument.
Warming (and cooling) is cyclical but picture this... Last time there was a major warming cycle what did the Earth look like?
A lot more green (I remember where our Oxygen comes from, do you?), oceans that had their full stock of life and a relatively unpolluted atmosphere.
What does it look like now?
Decimated rainforests. Half-empty oceans and our waste in the air.
Of course the current warming cycle is going to be amplified slightly.
How much of a change does it have to be to mean a major influence on weather and life on earth?
I'd say a lot more than the "global warming" alarmists would have us believe but also a lot less that the flat earth society (that shows what side I am on in case you thought I was fence straddlin') would have you believe.
So yes, man has had an impact, but it's not ALL our fault.
Of course the earth is flat.....it melted into a puddle because of all the global warming! :D
BTW....just throwing this out there for everyone to chew on. According to recent studies of Mars.....it is warming up too. Naturally....we don't have anything near enough evidence on Martian climate history like core samples to draw any conclusions...but it certainly is an interesting development in the light of solar activity being mentioned now as a climate changer.
Must be all those pick-up driving Martians.....:D
BTW...Hiya smurfy....good to see ya.....:)
You know where to find me whenever you want to "see me" Maxx ;)
Yes smurfy ... I carefully calculated my response to beat you to the punch by milliseconds! I use a device that bounces a few thoughts off the disappearing ozone layer and then reflects back to me via sunspot generated solar winds and then, well... I just know stuff. Yes, that's it...!
I'll try to get over there more.....:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfy
Having trouble getting used to all the new faces, though. Feel like a newbie....LOL:D
Abhoth, milliseconds...45 minutes - meh, close enough.
I just read from page 1 and by post #10 I had the first line of my reply but then I got to reply #42 (that damn number again!!) and found you had already cornered that market :)
Well....global warming or no global warming.....I'm cold. :eek:
Time to hit the bed....which has three blankets on it BTW.....;)
Later folks............................................................
Hey now...! There's a bit of lag when dealing with the solar winds there smurfy! ;-)
Yesh, remember it's summer down here - I'm in the middle of the "warming" part so am laughing at Maxx freezing his shades off. :D
The earth is flat... well maybe we could use the extra carbon dioxide to pump the earth up again, and we'd solve both those problems.
Pity I came in late.. I will sit and watch this vid tomorrow..
The biggest problem I have seen with Climate change/Global warming is that
1/ most confuse one for the other
2/ any discussion is on only One aspect of the earths atmosphere or on one substance
3/ Most discussion is based on short term information.. ie the best data, and most complete (so far) is only a few years old..
4/ Many discussions dismiss earths natural cycles
5/ many discussions have ignored natural events..Volcanic eruptions?? (some eruptions dump more pollutants into the stratosphere in a day than all mankind in a year)
6/ Most of the front men are Media personalities (these have no credibility with me..)
I was brought up in an era when solar cycle was closely linked to our weather..Quote:
interesting development in the light of solar activity being mentioned now as a climate changer.
Like the internet people will gravitate toward the information that is most convenient to them.. not search for the truth..
Most of the people who are placed in the public eye as scientists are not.. they may have science degrees.. but they are not about science.. they are not testing their theories and retesting with the information.. instead they are collecting the information that proves their theory.. not using all the information.
Oh yes.. I am a greenie.. I believe we should be responsible to our environment.. I do not believe we need to exaggerate the situation.. people know that lairs are not to be trusted and will turn on them.. the result is we end up further from a solution ...
Now I will watch the item and see if it passes my tests..
What happened to the 7 year and 11 year Solar cycle/Sunspot activity/drought cycle?
Farmers have known this fact for a long time.
Just now they are going to do a study on solar flares, Reason, because they interfere with the satellites.
They call it the Study of the Northern lights on TV.
Nasa's aurora mission blasts off
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6372745.stm
You better believe those solar cycle still effect radios waves.
Ya know....it just hit me. The flat earth thing is funny, but I would be careful with that one.
Remember....your global warming champion and mouthpiece, Al Gore, still believes in an invisible man that lives above the clouds that created and controls everything. ;)
Oh, oh.....now I have lit the fuse on religious debate.....:eek:
(Bad maxx......bad maxx.....baaaaaaaad max...) :D
Convenience store owners too, they subtly try to remind the rest of us in the naming of their stores.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevejr
I read recently that his utilities bill is 30 times the size of the average american.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximilian
That's his utilities bill, not his head.
As for the invisible man......no comment.............:rolleyes:
That is true...it has recently been revealed that Al Gore wastes much more energy than the average American....although the exact ratio is anywhere from 18 to 30 times the rate....depending on what article you read....
Is it fair to attack Al on this matter? Well...if you are going to set yourself as the global warming savior of the planet......I would say, yeah....it matters. In all fairness to those who believe climate change is man-made....Al Gore is basically just an opportunist, I know that. I don't really let let his words cloud the debate. Most reputable climatologists that support man-made climate change positions would probably wish he would just shut the hell up and stop being an embarassment. The man is pure politician....and I guarantee....I know more about general science than this dumbbell. You don't actually believe he wrote An Inconvenient Truth on his own do you?
I will listen to pro-global warming scientists like I have for the past ten years. I will also listen to those opposed to man-made global warming....like those in the video. But I will poke fun at mouthpiece opportunists like bonehead Al Gore...inventor on the internet and savior of the human race. :D
Hey, I can stand 30 months of no electric bills.
Actually probably would be more than that when you compare the costs we pay per KW.
I really won't get into the discussion ... and have seen the videos ... and you really need to pull your heads out.
See, now that's the sort of misinformation you get when you rely on gasbag (pun intended) sources like Fox news or the Drudge report...
regarding Gores energy bill..
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?...tdown&t=c1149&
I watched your video......did you watch mine?:D :p
Your link confirms the report....so I am not sure what you are saying. :confused: I got the figure of "18 times" from a site that actually tried to debunk the story...
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/gov...ore_energy.htmQuote:
Facts and figures
The TCPR hasn't revealed how it obtained the usage figures attributed to Gore's household, though the press release claims the information came from the Nashville Electric Service, which denies it. How accurate are the figures? The Associated Press conducted its own examination of Gore's 2006 utility bills and found the TCPR's numbers to be slightly inflated, though the documents confirmed that the Gore family indeed consumes far more electricity in a year than the average American household. The correct amounts, as reported by AP, are as follows:
• Al Gore's average monthly electric bill in 2006: $1,200 (source: AP).
• Al Gore's total electric consumption in 2006: 191,000 kilowatt hours (source: AP).
• Average annual electric consumption per U.S. household (in 2001): 10,656 kilowatt hours (source: EIA).
Based on the above, Al Gore consumed roughly 18 times the national household average in kWh of electricity last year -- a differential which is probably only slightly mitigated by the following:
• The stated national household average, though accurate, is six years old and no doubt on the low side.
• Average usage varies widely by region. In Nashville, for example, where Gore lives, the average consumption per household is 15,600 kilowatt hours per year, almost 50% higher than the national average (source: AP).
• At 10,000 square feet, the Gore residence, which also houses the former vice-president's office, is more than four times larger than the average new home built last year in the U.S. (source: AP).
Even taking the above into account, Al Gore's power usage remains significantly higher than that of the typical U.S. household. How does he defend it?
I don't believe Fox or Drudge has been linked to.....or even mentioned in this thread. Please explain how you came to mention them.....I'm curious..... :confused:
Allow me a moment to explain a few things here....as I see there is some confusion....particularly because of my sense of humor.
Now...I have been doing alot of reading over the past 5 years or so on the subject of man-made climate change. However.....I didn't just rely on news reports, blogs or Hollywood productions. I did some digging. Just about all of the information presented in the program, Global warming Swindle, was old news to me. In some cases....very old news. All the show does is bring it together into a coherant form...and ask the question, "Why haven't we heard of this before?"
I admit the title is clearly designed to generate an audience. The term swindle is poor IMO. But how honest was Al Gore's, An Inconvenient Truth? Lets be adult here and admit that both films weren't exactly looking for titles that screamed "I AM A DOCUMENTARY....PREPARE TO BE BORED OUT OF YOUR SKULLS" Both titles intimated at scandel....and if there is anything we like as a people....it's other people's dirty laundry. That's what we are....lets face it....
I don't expect that everyone watching it should be convinced....but what is wrong with the presentation of an opposing view? I keep hearing in the news that the 'debate is over....and it's time for action'. Whoa....when did this happen? We went from idea, to theory to fact....damn near overnight. Now considering that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is 150 years old....and was actually first proposed in ancient Greece....and we are still debating the merit. How is it that man-made global warming got put on the fast track to fact? Quantum mechanics is still a theory. Relativity....still a theory.....
I'm sorry folks.....but everyone got real lazy on this one, IMO. A couple computer generated movies of oceans overwhelming coastal cities, some actors screaming and running and everyone panicked. At that point....the opportunist leeches arrived to feast on the bloated corpse of absent crtitical thought. Least that is my opinion on it.....
This was clearly demonstrated on October 30th 1938 when Orson Welles with others broadcast an adapted version of HG Wells War Of the Worlds and caused mass panic.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximilian
http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html
http://www.transparencynow.com/welles.htm
http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/script.html
http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...e+Search&meta=
Although the Martians are coming to get us......aren't they ?
Only if the earth really is flat Nix... ;-)
Everybody knows the earth is flat!.
191,000 @ .068 =12,988
1200 x 12 = 14400
He definately lives in the wrong place.
But still not a real bad rate either.
The earth is not flat....however....it isn't round either. The term "round" would indicate a sphere, but the earth actually is an oblate spheroid with slightly flattened poles. This gives the earth a bulge at the equator preventing it from being a perfect sphere.
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:D :p :D
Maybe......:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nix
OK....time to get serious on this thread now. There is a huge question before us and we can't keep dancing around it....and pretending it doesn't exist. That question is.....
How does Britney Spears' shaved head affect global temperatures....and how is she dealing with the whole climate debate? :(
:p
Britney!! Now we are talking ... finally something super important! :D
Maybe Britney is on to something really important here. Let's all shave our heads and form a "Shaved Heads Society". Every day at high Noon we will go stand outside for 15 minutes and the combined Solar reflection from our beautiful baldness will be reflected back into space, thus saving our planet from global warming.:D
Okay, Gals...who's first!!
Well.....see now.....people don't know how thoughtful and smart Britney is. Everyone thinks she is just a drugged up bubblehead, but she is in fact a genius!
What she has done is use her own head to represent the planet and demonstrate the ravages of global warming! Brilliant.....!!!
http://www.omnimaxx.com/graphics/brit1.jpg..........http://www.omnimaxx.com/graphics/brit2.JPG
The drugs and alcohol are symbolic of pollutants like carbon dioxide....again..........brilliant!! And you all thought Hollywood was just alot of pomp and posturing from the back seats of limousines, huh? Not the Britney....she puts her head where it counts, baby.....:D
Ya know.....I'm going to smoke a turd in pergatory for that one....LOL:D :p
I see that global warming has also destroyed the ability to airbrush photos.
Thus airbrushed 'babe' becomes Kojak impersonator.
Here's an interesting article:
http://news.wired.com/dynamic/storie...MPLATE=DEFAULT
What a bunch of Chicken Littles.
The space umbrella idea is nonsense. It will take 20 million rocket launches to achieve this goal?! Seems to me the emissions from all those rockets would do more harm than all that's been generated to date. Then you have the slight problem of who's going to build 20 million rockets. You have to mine the raw materials to create the metal shells, which means increased usage of petrochemicals and electricity generation to build that many rockets. What are we using for fuel - water or corn? Probably neither.:) What happens to the rockets? - do they remain in orbit as space junk, or do they fall back to earth as molten projectiles? I'm not even touching the cost of all this yet.:D
Fertilizing the ocean with tons of iron oxide is another good one. We'll be told the fish will be unsafe to eat for 100 years because they ingested too much iron. Ocean-going cargo ships will get their propellers snagged in the masses of green slime that will make the Sargasso Sea look barren by comparison. At least fishing will be easier, we can just use giant electromagnets to catch them, but they won't be edible anyway.
The real tone of all this is summed up nicely by one observation in the article: Those who are coming up with these schemes don't trust the planet to recover by itself.:rolleyes:
Aren't we slowly getting closer to the sun through gravitational pull as we continuously orbit it.
If so wouldn't that account for things warming up - or is that to simple an explanation or theory ?
It seems to me if someone actually did some of these things to stop global warming wouldn't they chance going to far and send it into an ice age? I don't want an ice age either. I just can't believe some people actually think they can affect the world climate.
Sort of like the show where men go into space, land on the asteroid, and drill into it to plant explosives in an effort to blow it up so it doesn't hit the earth.
Or better yet, lets build a space ship and send a bunch of us to another planet to start a new civilazation, we could build temperature controled domes and thus escape the coming whatever.....LOL