You got that right, painfully slow.
Printable View
You got that right, painfully slow.
Just went to "Today's Posts", rapidly right-clicked and selected "Open in New Window" on five different Threads. Total elapsed time for all pages to finish loading: 14 seconds.
(2.6GHz, 1GB RAM, Windows XP [with all updates], IE 6.0, DSL, and AVG running a System Scan in the background)
We've been looking into it since the 1st complaint but it seems to have sped up considerably for me in the past couple/3 days. Right now it seems quite normal loading time.
That doesn't seem to be "Normal" to me. Still loading slow from any machine or browser I use. Hmmmmm.......
Did you post this in "Internet Software" yet???
I just heard from our tech/server dept. They're working on it but just haven't pinned down the cause yet. It's more than just this forum being affected. But we're not ignoring it, we're just having trouble diagnosing the problem.
What I meant was to post this problem in VDr's "Internet Software" forum. Not saying that the tech/server dept at VDr isn't knowledgable, but they also run into "mind freezes". Why do you think all of us come to this forum??? It's very possible that someone on VDr's forums could help solve the problem, or don't you think this community of techs is capable???????
Sure they're capable, but the techs working on it have specific, exact knowledge of our system and setup. By the time everyone here was brought up to speed on exactly the way things are setup here, the problem may be found. Anyway if we were going to post it, the place to post this would really be a networking forum, rather than general PC troubleshooting.
Lots of problems are solved right here in these forums without "exact knowledge" of the system being troubleshooted.
OK, so post it in the "Networking" forum. Maybe you should bring the "Networking" gurus up to speed on this issue and give them a shot at ironing it out.
Why continue wasting time?????
Feel free to post it. They'll asked questions about the system however which neither you nor I will be able to answer. I appreciate the concern and attempt to help, but it will be handled.
Remember, this problem is VDr's, not mine. Why don't your techs post it?? You're hosting this forum, not I.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPnyc
Wonder why VDr is losing its following, it because of this type of attitude. What you're telling me and the rest of the community at VDr is that you don't give a Rat's A** about what's going on here.
Thanks for nothing.................. :mad:
Because that would be taking them away from their jobs. That's not what I'm telling you at all. What I'm telling you is they're capable of handling it, and I don't have the information needed to troubleshoot it here on the forum, and they can't be torn away from what they're doing in order to do so.
Man(!?) What the *ell is up with the attacks?
If you don't like VirtualDr, (or Texas, or the United States), then get the <you-know-what> out, you're stinking up the place!
Sheesh!
:( Right On. No big problem here, just login then min window and go to some other site while VDR loads up or take a potty break or walk the dog.. Does not seem to be a big problem as the the three top adv banners load up fast. Some day perhaps they will get around to fixing the bug when they are not too busy with their jobs. :rolleyes:
PS: T1 at work and cable at home no difference for weeks now.
Just to satisfy the curiosity of an old man ;) , is there a technological reason why I have had no 'speed' problems accessing VDR, or going from page to page, using 'dial-up', when all you folks on the fast track of Cable/DSL/T1 are having all these 'speed' problems?
poppy
Honestly there could be a half dozen reasons for that. Slow downs can occur anywhere between you and a server, including at the server itself. But it can also be a bottle neck anywhere between you and it.
Poppy4, that's part of the problem which is making it tough to figure out. Some members don't have the speed problem.
It's also intermittent for me even when I do have speed issues with the board. One page load is normal speed, the next crawls.
JP and Steve, Thanks....I understand what you are saying. I guess it is just one more anomaly in the field of computing.
I also understand the 'need for speed', which is exemplified by 'overclocking'....but how fast is too fast?
I get to the VDR homepage usually in 20 seconds.
Page to page is usually about 10 seconds.
So until I opt to go for DSL or Cable, (if ever??)...I won't know what I'm missing?
...at any rate.....I can't see abandoning the best, and most civil learning site on the www....VDR......because of a few seconds.....but then that's just me....:D
poppy
Thanks poppy. I'm used to the pages loading in a second, sometimes 2, if I'm at home, about twice that at work. They're almost at that speed for me right now, but posting usually takes longer to submit. 6 to 8 seconds. That's about what I got right now as well.
Thanks poppy, I wish all the members were as understanding as you are. We are doing all thats possible to resolve this issue. ;) BJ
WOW....2 seconds :eek: ....it takes my eyes 6 seconds to focus :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPnyc
poppy
At least yours eventually FOCUS. Mine never would, without artificial assistance. :)
JP...I wear glasses too:)......without them I could forget about 'focus'.....not gonna happen.
btw....fwiw....the times I posted above are for FireFox .....IE takes much longer.
poppy
While the problems could relate to VDR's server, it is also very possible that it is an backbone router problem, which gets overloaded from time to time. Likewise, the traffic to VDR's servers could be greater than the servers are configured to handle.
For my money, I would bet that this is a backbone router issue. This would account for the wide variability of response times from person to person or for different times during the day. Since most people have upgraded to some level of broadband, these users could be impacted more, if there is such a bottleneck or series of bottlenecks.
In this type of situation, there are no fast answers, which is why it may take VDR some time to go through the process of elimination until they find the actual cause.
Cheers,
Linda
;) :rolleyes: :confused:
Very true, Linda. Would also explain why the slowdowns are intermittent and not limited to any one or two of our sites/servers. They appear and disappear periodically from moment to moment across many of our sites. We're engaged in testing as we speak.
I think people forget how things used to be and that is why they get so worked up about it taking 10 seconds for a page to load. Back a few years when people were using a 14.4 kb modem it was normal for a page to take many seconds to load. Nowadays people get so used to the speed that they get cranky when things are slowed down. I take the slowdown as a chance for me to catch my breath. It's kinda relaxing in a way...time for me to rest my eyes. Anyway, I'm just rambling.
Keep up the good work JPnyc and moderators. You are appreciated even though sometimes it doesn't seem like it.
Take care.
Thanks Brily, a breath of fresh air is always nice. ;) BJ
What John said. Thanks man. We are trying...
Agree and disagree ... well, now is not a few years back. Good or bad, things, people move along. Hand washing your laundry can be looked at as good upper body excise, but, sorry, I need, not in the sense of live or death but, yes, I need my automatic washer. I live in a big city, have to work 50 - 60 hrs a week, drive a couple of hours a day, so by the time I go home and surf the web, yeah, I don't want to wait 10 seconds for a page to load. I think it is a legitimate concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brily
But I am not b**ching at the mods or admins, just the situation, so I will repeat what you said to the staff at VDr, "Keep up the good work JPnyc and moderators. You are appreciated even though sometimes it doesn't seem like it." :)
Hmm a bit like the late 60s early 70s was all free love and the only speed people worried about wasn't dial up.
Now it's all safe sex and say no to drugs.
Hmm bring back the 60s/70s :p:cool:. Just kidding.
This morning I logged onto VDr and at first the pages loaded slow, but now it's like they're flying. I don't know what was done, but it seems as though you're going it the right direction.
Sorry about the earlier rants, but it was getting frustrating........
I agree with your post falcon2000, my post was just a rambling of mine. I understand that people are busier today. Like my life, more stuff to do, but less time to do it in. The world has turned into a blur...everyone is moving at an accelerated pace.
The point I was trying to make is that it isn't the end of the world because this site is currently running slower then normal. They are working on it and hopefully will find a fix soon. I just can't understand why some people get so worked up about it. As a lot of people here should know, some issues can't be fixed in 1 hour. Tracking down a bug/issue/whatever can take some time.
I think we all need a big VirtualDr Group Hug. :D
((((((((((((((((((VDR))))))))))))))))))
aaaaaaah......now that feels goooood....:D:D
Thanks Brily for the suggestion!
poppy
JPnyc, Last night at home I was watching the bottom toolbar (IE6)to see where the first page was stalling at. It was showing connecting "www.virtualdr.com" or something near that. The top three ADV banners loaded nicely and then it said "Done". After about 25 to 30 seconds I guess it decided it really was not done and showed connecting again. As soon as it connected the rest of the first page loaded fine.
The same thing happens every time both at home and here at work. Running XP Pro both boxes currently updated.
So what makes IE think it is done when it is not and on which end is the problem?
Please do not consider this a personal flame or anything like that. If the problem is on my end I want to correct it ASAP. I have not seen this on other sites, which leads me to assume the problem (glich) is not on my end.
As far as the response of the rest of the pages I have not noticed any thing a miss there, much faster than my 6 WPM typing. :D
Here are some traceroutes I've done. this first is from a T1 test site..
http://www.t1shopper.com/cgi-bin/nph-trace.cgi
1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.383 ms 0.277 ms 0.235 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 5.424 ms 14.511 ms 11.981 ms
3 xe-1-2-0-5.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.27.190) 0.461 ms 0.414 ms 0.385 ms
4 p16-7-0-0.r02.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.83) 0.472 ms 0.469 ms 0.452 ms
5 dcp-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.1.145) 0.389 ms 0.399 ms 0.340 ms
6 205.171.251.37 (205.171.251.37) 0.548 ms 0.533 ms 0.511 ms
7 dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.209.113) 2.259 ms 1.769 ms 1.929 ms
8 ewr-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.245) 7.248 ms 7.351 ms 7.251 ms
9 ewr-cntr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.146) 7.223 ms 7.127 ms 7.504 ms
10 msfc-22.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.34) 7.355 ms 7.208 ms 7.243 ms
11 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 8.196 ms !X * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 8.959 ms !X
19 * * *
20 * * *
21 * * *
22 * * *
23 * * *
24 * * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 9.068 ms !X
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 * * *
28 * * *
29 * * *
30 * * *
Note the serious problem at 63.236.93.180
But from another test site at the same time...
http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Tools/traceroute.php
1 dsl081-112-001.dfw1.dsl.speakeasy.net (64.81.112.1) 20.910 ms 26.530 ms 19.402 ms
2 110.ge-0-0-0.cr1.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.225) 19.593 ms 19.244 ms 17.673 ms
3 444.ge-6-3-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (209.249.11.194) 17.873 ms 18.968 ms 17.393 ms
4 dap-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.1.109) 17.950 ms 19.110 ms 17.196 ms
5 dal-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.225.54) 17.426 ms 18.906 ms 128.751 ms
6 ewr-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.186) 59.863 ms 59.719 ms 60.244 ms
7 ewr-cntr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.146) 58.968 ms 59.650 ms 60.494 ms
8 msfc-22.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.34) 59.066 ms 203.809 ms 59.280 ms
9 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 59.792 ms 58.379 ms 59.791 ms
10 63.236.73.204 (63.236.73.204) [open] 61.519 ms 62.252 ms 65.681 ms
Normal looking result.
Now here's a traceroute from http://www.washington.edu/networking/tools/traceroute
1 zinc-FE-4-7.cac.washington.edu (140.142.3.1) 0 ms 0 ms 0 ms
2 uwbr1-ge2-2.cac.washington.edu (140.142.155.23) 1 ms 1 ms 0 ms
3 cnsp1-wes-ge-0-0-0-0.pnw-gigapop.net (209.124.176.8) 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms
4 129.250.10.194 (129.250.10.194) 0 ms 1 ms 1 ms
5 p16-0-0-0.r00.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.7) 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms
6 p16-1-0-0.r01.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.5.77) 45 ms 56 ms 41 ms
7 p4-0.qwest.chcgil06.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.9.190) 48 ms 42 ms 42 ms
8 cer-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.139.145) 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms
9 ewr-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.1) 67 ms 71 ms 65 ms
10 ewr-cntr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.17.146) 68 ms 70 ms 66 ms
11 msfc-22.ewr.qwest.net (63.146.100.34) 66 ms 65 ms 81 ms
12 * * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 65 ms
13 * * *
14 * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 66 ms *
15 * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 66 ms *
16 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 80 ms * *
17 * * *
18 * 63.236.93.180 (63.236.93.180) 66 ms *
Notice the same problem as the first traceroute at 63.236.93.180 (Qwest Communications)
Make what you will of that but there's definately a problem before it reaches VRDR from some of these results.
Excellent detective work Fink. I'm going to link our server techs to that post.
That's all well and good ... but please tell me that your server techs have trace tools and knowledge to use them! ;-)
Naturally. I linked them to that post, but they'd already done that and analyzed the results. But hey, ya never know, so I did.
:cool: Never mind answering my question for I found a work around solution. :)
I don't know how long it USED to take... but I posted a "New Thread" message over 30 minutes ago, and if I search for my own user name, it still hasn't shown up.
Is this normal?