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How about a step by step using xcopy to copy partition to partition?
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OK i give up....I have been at this ata66 install for almost 8 hours....I have tried every workaround and hack that they have listed at www.promise.com and I cannot get the drivers to install correctly for this card. It will see the hard drive in windows but not the cdrom that is attached also and there is a splat in device manager and a note that the drive is running in msdos compatibility mode. I have tried all the acpi work arounds all the IRQs yadda yadda yadda....I am about to have a promise ata66 frisbie party. or some skeet shooting https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Hi All, I haven't checked the highpoint bios as Jaak said yet as I just came back up online. Procedure did not work.
DrMDJ, the HD is not detected with the ATA100 card installed.
Sarkazztic, I had the same results as before.
To review, I installed the WD 40GB HD, pationed and formatted to the MOBO through the original ribbon cable. Using the Compaq Recovery disk I had made, I was then able to use the two Compaq Restore disks. Then When I receceived the Ultra card, I installed it and the adapter cable. Without the HD on the the card I installed the drivers and in device manager it confirms that they are installed. Yet when I connect the HD to the adapter cable which is connected to the ATA 100 card the monitor says there is no Driver 1, 2 or 3 is intalled and then the screen
says "no operating system installed".
Question: Should I have connected the HD to the ATA100 card and partitioned and formatted through the ATA 100 card to the HD after I had set up the ATA100 card?
Originally I installed the cards drivers after I set up the HD.
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Jaak??? Mind if I use this as my new signature line? It pretty much sums up all my most innermost thoughts and feelings on the price of potatoes in Kentucky.Quote:
Originally posted by jtdoom:
(I just sold the epox and 1133 I ran some trials on. I don't wanna see it fry like in the movies. after the movie show, I soon got a taisol wich latches onto all six hooks instead of the coolermaster which latches over only two....)
And I mean this with the kindest heart..and the hugest grin.......when I say.......WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN????
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Hi Daizy, Replaced cooling fans on CPU. How ya doing? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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GG1 take a look at this then..Problems booting into an existing OS (Win95/98/98SE/NT4.0/2000) after the installation of a Ultra 33/66/100, FastTrak 33/66/100, or EIDEMax/II card
After you install one of our PCI/ISA IDE controller cards you suddenly discover that you cannot boot in the Operating System anymore. If you move the drive back to onboard it works just fine, but not on our card. This is because of Drive Geometry issues. Each controller can view a drive a little differently. This can be an issue for a new controller, which loads the Master Boot Record (MBR) and then has a problem translating it or the Operating System boot record.
Symptoms
-Following the BIOS post and the loading of the bios for our card, the system displays Invalid System Disk or Operating System not found.
-Following the bios post and the loading of the bios for our card, Verifying DMI data pool and or updating ESCD will appear and then the system will hang.
-Following the bios post and the loading of the bios for our card, Verifying DMI pool data and or updating ESCD will appear and the system will hang at a flashing cursor, either top or bottom of screen.
-Windows 95 or Windows 98 startup bitmap will appear and then the system will freeze.
-The system will report unable to load or locate IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, COMMAND.COM, WIN.COM, etc.
- Problems occur when loading the registry. Such as corruption being reported or Windows Protection Error involving CONFIGMG (Windows Configuration Manager).
- The Operating System starts to load then drops to a C:\> PROMPT.
Possible Solutions
Performing a SYS of the C: drive (Win 95 and 98 only) will restore the operating system boot record and transfer the system files to the boot drive.
Restoring the Registry (Win98 only) may be necessary if the Registry actually became corrupt during the boot process. SYS C: drive before restoring the Registry.
Reset Data Configuration (ESCD) -To Reset the ESCD you must enter your System Bios and then locate the option. In Most BIOS's it can be found under PCI/PNP Configuration, but this will vary from board to board, especially on boards with a Phoenix or AMI Bios.
*Some translation problems are so severe that a clean install of the Operating System (Restore MBR, repartition, and format) will be the only Solution.
I would have pasted the link here instead of the text but it would not let me do that for some reason....
Hiya greengoose1:
I'm doing just fine. Thanks so much for asking. Thought I'd interject a little humour, to show I was indeed still trying to read along. Thank you for the decipher code. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Know that I'm your biggest fan as you build this new computer. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Jaak....please know I am just teasing.
Daizy
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Thanks for info Sarkazztic. Will check it out.
Don't give up on your issue. Everthing you do you learn something from it.
Shoot this is better than a Tom Clancey novel. (Think he's been slipping lately anyway) https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Daizy, getting closer to getting started and as you watch ask any question that comes to mind about building because that's what this thread is all about - to go where no man has gone before, to see what no man has ever - oops verily verily I say to you I have been around Bistro to long. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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...and thus did the feared Bistro corrupt his followers...and they did drink of the bitter wine... and they did follow in his ways. Even as to speak as he spake. And the Greengoose was sore afraid, as a babe in the wilderness did he cry out..."What have I wrought in this land?" And the Delta was silent as they awaited his approach...for Bistro was near...
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And Bistro, coming to the River of Ignorance, split the waters with his babbling (for the force thereof was unbearable) and walked on the dry river bed over to the Delta. And seeing no one there (for it was very early in the morn), he pitched a tent and perchanced to sleep. And the Master appeared in a vision and spake to Bistro, saying "Why hast thou come here, Bistro? Didst thou actually think that someone would be here at 4:30 in the morn? Or that they would even CARE to listen to thee?" And the master, giggling loudly said, "Verily, thou hast proven once again unto me that thou art totally bonkers. Quick, go hide thyself. When the day breaks and the Delta people come forth, then show thyself to them and act as if thou hast just arrived also, lest they thinketh 'What manner of man is this that babbleth in the night to no one in particular?'". And as the vision of the Master faded away, Bistro saith to himself (for there was no one in particular there to sayeth it to), "Surely I have seen the wisdom of the Master and will obey the vision. That, or I just gotta lay off taking NyQuil..."
--from The Vision That Happened Really Early In The Morning, marginal notes in the latter parts of The Lost Annals of Bistro
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Hi jtdoom,This is a new Motherboard,not been out long and I think we are the guinea pigs for it. A very good board if and when you can get everything working right with it.
ECS K7S5A sis735 chipset with original Bios. A newer Bios give us more tweeks in the bios.DDRram and SDram (can't use both at same time)256DDRram this end.Wont boot if set to 133/133 need a new bios for that. Changed settings this morning as it took me 6 tries last night to shut down,kept either hanging at 'closeing down' or I would have Blue screen of death.
Todays settings are (fast/2T/6T/3T)100/100
this is also a 266FSB as far as I know.
Sorry if I sound dull but we all can't be as Bright as you lot. This is an Excellent Forum,Keep up the Good Work,and THANKS for all the Help from you all. yours, Dennis
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scarecrowdr: Normally I wouldn't recommend a BIOS flash upgrade, but in your case it may benefit you. Might consider it.
Goose,
If the hard drive is not identified as being present (forget OS) when on the Maxtor Ultra card then the issue is not one of translation.
Just to review... You have the Maxtor hard drive alone (nothing else) on the ultra card as a single-master on the first ide channel on the card. Correct?
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The WD hdd was set for single [single master] and trying to install windows , got no hhd detected. The same was gottten with CSEL [cable select]
But the darn thing works just fine on ide as witnessed by GG1's post.
Mine did the same darn thing https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ and his is a year newer.
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Train,
And you have this same Maxtor card, with a WD hard drive, on a compaq, and your's is seen fine, right?
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sarrkazztic,
What bios is on that ata66? Did you load the latest (I think 2.00 build 18)? And the drivers you have are the latest (160 build 36)?
Are you sure that is a true Ultra66 and not it's sister, the FasTrak66?
Although the Ultra66 is suppose to provide cdrom support, I have seen and heard of cases where a cdrom would in fact not work on it.
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GG1,
Perhaps try moving the Ultra card to another PCI slot.
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I have removed the card, but it was working. Then again, I installed SE clean on the harddrive [single]. My Compaq disks would not install on IDE or the card! GG1's installs on ide and runs fine. But will not switch from ide to the card like mine did.
At present the Compaq [for household peace] is back on the quantum hdd. Also, I needed to help someone and could not remember the compaq way of doing it. So, reverted it.
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Good Morning All, Just got in from a morning run, made a cup of coffee, and for some reason brought up VirDr on my computer and what to my wondering eyes should appear but The Master and the Delta crew aka the gnomes of knowledge aka those experts of cyberspace aka........ad nauseum (love that phrase). OK then -
DrMDJ, With the Maxtor Ultra ATA/100 PCI Adaptor Card installed, the blue end of the ribbon adaptor cable plugged into slot 1 of the PCI card and the other end plugged into the Western Gigital 40GB Hard Drive, there is no operating system picked up. Now to verify this I disconnected the hard drive power plug and got the same results. There is no other hardware attached but the one hard drive.
Sarkazztic, your post implied the same thing as Train and I were discussing and that is a difference of configuration in the software or the actual procedural steps to congfigure and bring up online.
I posted a question on that and to review it, should you intall the PCI card, then the adapter cable to both the PCI card and harddrive, then patition and format after which you install the operating sysem.
In this case I installed the hardrive and got it partitioned, formatted, installed the operating system, and then tried installing the PCI card. It acts as though there is an incompatability when the PCI card is put in.
The computer is rock solid in its operation. Without the PCI card, perfect operation except for the last 8GB which is there but can't be used - with the PCI card, no operating system is detected.
Jaack, nothing for you yet as far as results from the things you wanted me to check as that is new areas for me and I have to study what you mean. It is not the way you explain it as I understand what you are saying but I have to put that together with the how to. What I am trying to say is do not change how you're explaining but be patient with me as I am learning and attempting to gain a greater depth of knowledge.
The reason I take the time to ask questions and explain what I'm going through is so other people reading will know they are not alone in this quest for knowledge which all of this crew has and are willing to share. I keep reiterating the fact that if a person reading our thread doesn't understand something that he/she should ask a question. This is what Operation Delta is all about - Dedicated to Excellence and Long Term Acheivement.
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Aw shucks, DrMDJ forgot something. I have but three PCI slots in this computer. The first one is open, the second has the modem card and the third is where I put the PCI card.
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Might want to switch the modem card to #3 and put the PCI in slot 2. Can't hurt at this point. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Hi Bistro, Ok I'll try that in a little bit. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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OK, I'm back up and swaping the PCI card to slot 2 and the modem card to slot 3 gave me the same symptoms as before as well a notification no modem was detected. Swapped everything back and left the PCI in and brought the computer back up. The computer decteced the PCI card and told me I didn't have a harddrive attached to it just before the Windows logo showed. Now I'm going to do a little more investigation.
It is interesting that when the harddrive is attached to the PCI card you can't load the drivers for the PCI card.
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When I attempted to install a Promise controller card (to attach a Zip drive to it), it gave me all sorts of problems on boot-up. The only thing I could think of was the "BIOS" on the card wasn't compatible with the system BIOS. Tried a Siig card and it booted right up. No changes were made to the system BIOS. Yet both cards use HPT drivers. Odd.....thought the "slot2" trick might work (assigned IRQ). https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Goose,
I'm confused again. With the drive attached to the ultra card do you or don't you get any message about no drive being attached to the card? Or is it that it just complains about no OS? If the card's bios sees a drive attached that is one thing. If no OS can be found that's another.
If you boot to a command prompt and do a DIR against the drive (assume it is C if only drive in system) what message do you get?
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DrMDJ, When the Hard drive is attached to the ATA 100 card through the Adapter cable that came with the card this is what you see on the monitor.
1. Detecting PCI card then
2. No drives detected
D1
D2
D3 then
3. No operating system installed
This is on three different screen shots.
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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 09-30-2001).]
Assume you just left out an display for D0 (ie. D0, D1, D2, D3). Anyway...
Try moving the cable to D2 (as the master on the 2nd IDE connector on the card).
Another thing might be to try a regular ide cable (just as a test).
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By the way, for all those who just have to have things they really don't need... Enough is enough
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Ok, so now we've solved the storage problem - where do we now find all the data/programs to fill up all that much space..? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/Quote:
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By the way, for all those who just have to have things they really don't need... Enough is enough
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I did have the latest drivers for the card and I tried to flash the bios but it kept telling me that the file was incorrect..the card itelf says promise ultra 66 but the flash program did say fastrak....I thought that was weird.....I tried a while back to put in a different scsi card in a computer with a via chipset and never had any luck......and since all I wanted to do with the ata66 card was hook up a zip drive in my new machine....and it says you HAVE to have a hard drive attached to it.....and since my motherboard supports ata100 hard drives I have decided to put the card and the zip drive in the new machine I will start building tuesday.(gaming machine) I did not want to put 1 of my 2 ata100 hard drives on a ata66 card and reduce performance of the drive...when I finish this other machine this week I will have 2 other machines up and running that I can put the zip into and not have to put it in my own personal work station....It does tick me off that I cannot figure out why this card or the previous scsi type card would not work on via chipset boards....the new board is an intel so this will be even more of a science project than previously anticipated
goose,
PLEASE, I am getting desparate.
the adaptor card normally picks up the drive AFTER motherboard BIOS has finished showing its data on screen.
in the motherboard BIOS, you MUST set to boot from SCSI. or A: >> SCSI
btw, the motherboard BIOS drive detect screens won't show no drive on this card. (it don't show the card, period...)
during POST screens, you can see the card detected as a mass storage PCI adaptor, and be given an IRQ...)
anyway, after setting boot order, it's reboot time.
and, now YOU HAVE TO ENTER THE CARD BIOS (ctrl + H) to select the drive you want to boot from.
honest.
I just got done looking at this.
you MUST select that you wanna boot from the card, in the card bios.
option at bottom of the highpoint BIOS/RAID screen is CHOOSE BOOT DISK.
in your particular case, I would STRONGLY suggest you connect that spare blank drive to it. (other drive disconnected)
because then you would not run the risk of messing up your good system.
now, if that stupid compaq don't give you option to boot from SCSI, you gotta live with 32 out of 40.
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I just pulled a drive which was maxblasted on another system and connected it to this highpoint.
the drive translation was correct.
I done it with a forty and thirty Giga drive formatted on non highpoint controller.
your case is different, since this machine BIOS does NOT have native support for over 32giga disks.
catch 22
if its jumpered to limit itself to 32, it will show as 32 ,even on highpoint.
therefore, prepare the blank/new disk.
and clone that older system over once you got the blank drive running on highpoint.
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it was about that movie at tom's hardware, where they show how quickly AMD chips burn up when the cooler comes off...
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I think xcopy from a dos prompt (true DOS like when you boot from floppy) won't do a good clone.
but, hang on.
I will try something on the other machine.
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Don't forget Jaak, this ultra card is not a raid card. There's no configuration screen for it. To boot off it you can either a) set boot from scsi in system bios setup or, b) disable (or not have) any hard drives on the mainboard controllers.
But booting from a drive on this card aside, in GG1's case the card is seen but no drive is seen on it (when attached).
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Daizy was that Potatoe Remark made about me???? You know I am from Kentucky.....LOL
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GG1,
Some tests to try (some are repeat for which an answer hasn't been given yet):
1) Drive as single-master on 2nd controller of card
2) Use of 40-pin/40-wire (regular) ide cable
3) Drive set up as cable select (appropriate jumper set, drive on end of cable, ata100 cable used).
4) Drive set as single-master and placed on middle cable connector (of ata100 cable).
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Sorry for the delay getting back. Company is here. OK now -
Jaak, Don't get desparate, I can only go so fast with the interruptions I've had. I am going to check every suggestion out you all come up with. I am asinterested in finding the workaround to this 32GB Barrrier as any of you are.
DrMDJ, I'll try your suggestions too. I have extra cables also. When BT is built we can test and know for sure whether the card might be bad although my opinion is that it is alright.
I am going to start a new thread now before we run into problems so hold your posts for a few minutes if you will. Thanks
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