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Here goes machine number 2 this month...I just ordered this board http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtId=728LMR
I have a celeron 333 or 366 I will have to look and see what it is...I have tested it a while back so I know it is good.....I also ordered a 32mb savage 4 video card...and a low end atx case....this is just for gaming for now....later I will order either the celeron 700 or the pIII 933 and max the board out if I decide to keep it....will be selling the slot A 750 system that I built for myself earlier this year.Keep your fingers crossed that the wife doesnt do me bodily harm for playing musical computers...everytime she gets comfy with one I put together another one...and say here honey try this one out....UPDATE...the Athlon 1.2 is still running at 1.332 ghz no problems with heat or instability in win2k and am testing under 98se but I do not anticipate any problems there either with the exception of the occasional b.s.o.d that I am sure I will run into sooner or later...
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Hmmm - I had just finished writing this piece and as I clicked "submit" the beast BSODed on me - some kind of driver failure. And that after 2 weeks of continuous, flawless operation (W2K). The thing automatically rebooted before I could read the whole BSOD message or write anything down. The eventlog says:
"The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The bugcheck was: 0x00000050 (0xa2010a74, 0x00000000, 0xbb3ca55e, 0x00000002). " Not much to work with here.
Anyway...
gg1,
Sure, I like being mixed up with this bunch.
a) They are really nice people with my own sense of humor - and a touch of sarcasm, love it...
b) They love computers and they love talking about them.
c) They know a l o t about computers so there's a lot to be learned here. And one's never too old to learn some new tricks, right..?
For 13 years I've made money in the programming business (PL/1 & DL/1 - lately C and SQL - still a beginner..) and for 20 years I've worked with computers (C64, Amigas and PCs). I've spend a lot of my spare time during the last 5-6 years building, repairing and modifying PCs for myself and others.
I'm currently running my own little computer-farm and keeping computers running for 6-7 other "computer-illiterates". VDr sure is the right place under those circumstances...
d) This is a good place to expand my english knowledge, particularly in the technical field. It sure helps to have an engineering background, but there are things you just can't find in any dictionary.. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Right now I'm getting ready to cut up a ribbon cable as I mentioned soem time ago. I've decided to start with a 50 pin SCSI ribbon to get some practise. An ATA66/100 looks like a real challenge that will need a steady hand, hence the practise. Besides, SCSI cable do take up a lot of space and disturb the airflow.
It seems my posting regarding my the unfortunate killing of an (factory-flawed, it seems) 18 GB SCSI LVD2 drive was lost in a "thread disaster". The drive sent off small fumes and went completely dead the first time I put power to it. Definitely smelled like burned insolation.
Well, I've now received word from the dealer that they have tested the drive and found it to be dead (hmmm - thought I told them that..? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ ) and that a free replacement is being sought and sent as soon as they can find one - they'd better...
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Now I did the wd harddrive and card like GG1 did and it worked for me https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Only difference was I did a clean install of SE while he used the Restore cd which seems to have the Bomide on the cd.
Will ghost pick up the nonDOS info and move it. Compaq ID on the Harddrive is what I am refering to. Or another program?
Seems I heard leave it [the compaq]alone for now!
So, it is back on the original harddrive. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Hi All, Checking in. Good post Train, the answer ought to tell us something 'cause I sure don't know and still assimilating what has been written so far. What I need is the proper procedure as I have never done this before.
Kallikru, I wish you had not mentioned the great people here. It will give them the "big heads" and they will be hard to live with. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ LOLROTF
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TRAIN SAID SOMETHING...
now, ghosting over a partition to partition should work, in NORMAL circumstances.
goose will easily see the difference between the non-dos and the fat32 type partitions.
BUT, I am thinking of an interesting thing to try nonetheless.
(because of the thing train said...)
what if...
what if goose can restore to the drive on highpoint (with the other drive disconnected, out of the loop)
and then, what if he reconnects it, and does an XCOPY32 (or ghost) from older to fresh restore on highpoint, overwriting the stuff in there..
the new drive will have bomide
it will be compaq-systemised
and then it can get the configuration and programs written over it
so what if this would work?
Hell, I forgot about this bomide partition.
and I did not dare suggest drive to drive ghosting because the olde system is on "32GB limited"...
(I'm afraid it would make a 32GB disk of the other, see...)
but, once the bomide is on that new disk on the highpoint, you should be able to clone over the partitions somehow.
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noticed something else today
maxblast
advanced,
whatdouya know, it has the feature to copy over in there as well.
thus, I think the NON advanced is like a "wizard", and it does not present you this option twice (I think it stores settings, as it wants to write to floppy at one point).
I noticed this today, on a drive I had already blasted for ME.
btw, funny that, with an ME floppy it won't copy the system to disk, yet it first asks (cuz it don't know what you will shove in))
anyway, I saw the option to copy partitions in advanced screens.
so, goose, you have a lot of thinking, and plenty options
the xcopy32 string I use to copy stuff is this one
xcopy32 [letter]:\*.* [letter]:\ /i /h /k /r /e /y /c
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jaak
The problem is his original HDD is kaputt.
So, he replaced it with a 40GB WD. Used the Compaq stuff and got it to install. Mine would not. Boy it refused with all kinds of crazy statements. Which tells me GG1 has the bomide on his cd instead of the harddrive. As they told me it would be on later restore cd's in writing. So, no 2nd HDD.
I still want to replace that 4400rpm harddrive with a 7200 one. But leave the Compaq stuff on for helping other people and keep peace in the household https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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GG1,
I guess one question I forgot to ask was if you boot from a floppy, can you view and read files/directories on the disk (when on the ultra card)? Or is it just that a bootable os cannot be found? What does and FDISK of the disk show?
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Been using Google to do some searching on this issue. Went to MS Knowledge Base, Maxtor, and Western Digital but found nothing much less a procedure.
The best information I have gotten so far is right here on our Delta Thread. That comes from people with not only knowledge bookwise but hands on experience to boot.
DrMDJ, Just tried the normal installation procedure and have done no hands on since I did not want to foul up a working computer by trying different things. Thought I would wait on this until BT was built and then come back on this. That way I have communications with you all. When I lost the HD and could not communicate except by phone, I decided I did not want it to happen again.
To answer your questen No OS is found.
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Have any of you tried taking a heatsink and fan and mounting another fan directly on top of the fan already mounted to the heatsink? can this work? would it provide more or less cooling? Pondering lots of questions as I am going to a major overclocking experiment with the new board I ordered and a celeron 333 and 366 cpus......I will have lots of questions when the new items come in early next week....who out there has experiences good or bad with overclocking. I promise I will try to stick to the topic at hand once BT is being built but I am trying to keep busy until Goose gets his parts gets started...I am very interested in seeing how this goes for a first timer.
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train, goose,
see the edit above.
train sparked it, and I forgot to explain why I suddelny came up with the idea.
have put ghosting option in there as well.
dangit, I plumb forgot about this bomide.
I reckon the workaround should work?
(as long as the bios is set to boot from cdrom, it should be possible to do the restore onto highpoint. highpoint needs no drivers for DOS, see.
(oakcdrom wont see no CDromdrive on a highpoint, strange, but that's mscdex for ya)
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consider the arodynamics in a turbine.
(of which I know diddly)
I mean, where is the higher airflow when you look right behind a fan?
at the axle?
at the rim?
a concorde turbine has 60 to 1 compression...
how is that done?
I would think that a duct leading fresh air from a casefan to the CPU fan would greatly help the efficency of the CPU fan.
but if they's mounted on top of one another, the turbulence may decrease efficiency of the CPU high speed fan.
I said MAY...
I dunno.
just thinking out loud.
hmmm, I have seen a TITAN aluminium hard drive kooling "tray" where two identical (tiny) fans are in front, right behind one another. The fan housing itself acts like a small duct.
I'd still do ducting...
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well I will admit to a little stupidity when I was just learning about the inside of computers...I took a vacuum cleaner hose and stuck it inside of the box to suck out the dust and cobwebs and got it close to the cpu fan and it made the fan spin alot faster with a higher pitch whine....was wondering if the 2 cpu fans on top of each other either oriented the same way or opposite might have a positive airflow effect...
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by ducting do you mean some sort of hose from the intake fan attached to the top of the hsf?
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They make HSF with the dual fans stacked like that. Not to well rated.
The fan housing is what forms the duct in this case. So, when you stack them you form a duct for the air to flow through.
Never figured it out mathamatically, but theory says stacking should add to the air flow. But practice has shown that to not to true. The pitch of the blades and rpm are the more important components.
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sarrkazztic,
I think you'll find this of interest. There are subtleties in stacking.
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GG1,
If you want to wait (until BT is done) that's fine. Seeing what an FDISK (just looking not changing anything) and a simple DIR against the drive would be worthwhile info. Neither would be destructive.
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Good Morning All,
DrMDJ, I don't mind checking things and the like. The main concern I had was doing something myself due to my lack of knowledge in this area and knocking my computer down.
I feel very comfortable following the suggestions that you all are giving me. And that keeps me learning which is what I need.
More problems here, so I better get to it. Later https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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'kaz,
I've been doing some experimenting with a standard flex hose for fx. bathroom ventilators. I mounted the hose to a front intake fan and led the other end to blow across the CPU fan. It DID give me a few degrees lower CPU temperature but not enough to help me with my actual problem then. Besides, it didn't really make the inside of the machine more accessible... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
With respect to you double fan question - with two fans mounted, the fan with the lower capacity will make up a bottleneck for the other. If both fans have equal capacity you will get as much airflow as one fan by itself.
That is why you'll find parallel mounted twin fans (like on the old slot1 processor coolers) but not stacked fans - it just won't give you anything to stack them. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Thanks Jaak..It was just an idea...I had an extra cpu fan and thought it might work..I will just buy a delta fan to put on the coolermaster heatsink that I have...if the temp is too high when I start my Overclocking.
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For those of us that are COMPAQ illiterate what is BOMIDE...I have heard of some computers that have a portion of the bios that resides on the harddrive is this what you are talking about? I have only worked on 1 compaq before it is my neighbors and I did not like it very much....it is a desktop model and not much room for my oversized hands and seems to be very very proprietary
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Bomide is a non dos partition on the harddrive that carries the Compaq ID that the QuickRestore disk must see before it will install https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Now with the ones that are newer than mine it is on the cd and takes care of this problem when swapping in a larger HDD.
Yes, in some it also carries the softBIOS that Compaq loves.
Propietary, you bet and small cases, again you win. Dinky actually comes closer and with a miniATX board at that.
Been a heck of a teacher though. Teaches you what to look out for and how to get around problems. Once that is learned, not bad at all. From all the posts I have read hp is actually worse.
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Here is the email I got from Compaq.
Thank you for writing to Compaq Support Services.
Regarding your inquiry, please note that Compaq does not support hard disk drive upgrades for Presario desktops, nor do we have any BIOS or ROM updates to increase the size of supported hard drives.
It is possible to go to a computer dealer or repair shop in your area and see what third-party equipment they have that may be compatible with your computer. However, Compaq does not test third-party hardware or software and cannot support such a course of action.
Also note that Quick Restore disk will not work after replacing harddrive. If you cannot reinstall the original Compaq hard disk, you need to prepare the new hard disk for QuickRestore. Please be advised that this may not work for all hard disks and you may have unpredictable results for non-Compaq hardware. During the manufacturing process, an identification number (BOMID) is written to the UIA area of the hard disk. The BOMID identifies the model of the computer in which the hard disk is installed. Replacement hard disks do not contain this information. Therefore, when using QuickRestore on a Compaq Presario computer that contains a replacement hard disk, the QuickRestore program will be unable to identify the model of the computer.
SOLUTION
Follow the steps below to write the BOMID to the UIA area of the new hard disk:
1. Insert the QuickRestore diskette (when applicable) and CD into the appropriate drives, and then restart the computer.
NOTE: If a QuickRestore boot diskette is not included with the QuickRestore kit, you can create this diskette from the BOOTDISK subdirectory on the QuickRestore CD.
2. At the initial screen (Program Language Selection), select "Exit" from theQuickRestore utility.
3. At the A:\> prompt, type uiabomwr_xxx (where xxx is the BOMID of the computer), and then press Enter.
EXAMPLE: A:\uiabomwr 201 would store the 201 BOMID (for a Compaq Presario model 8772) into the UIA area of the hard disk.
If the BOMID fails, then your new hard disk does not support the ability to have the BOMID written to it. You cannot run QuickRestore without the BOMID. You should take the computer to a local Compaq Authorized Service Center to have a replacement hard disk installed that supports QuickRestore. This would require the original spare part to be installed.
NOTE: On future versions of QuickRestore CDs, the uiabomwr.exe utility will be located in the TOOLS directory of the QuickRestore CD.
Regards,
Compaq Consumer E-Services
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Dear Compaq,
Greetings. How in the name of all that's sacred can you call yourself a legitimate computer business? Why are you making systems that can't be upgraded or are next to impossible to do so? Why does Webster's Dictionary have a picture of one of your systems included with the words "propietary", "selfish" and "greedy"?
Please be informed that the word "upgrade" is not really synonymous with "have'ta buy a new one from us". Get with the program or get out of the business. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Most recently they sold out to Hewlett Packard but it seems to me that about the time they made the machine that GG1 and a few others around here have they may have sold there soul to the Devil it seems.....I am really glad that I never bought one of those machines...they might have made me give up computing all together
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Let's see now. From what Compaq said my computer is not working and I really ought go buy a new one.
Installed a new hard drive of 40GB and used a quick recovery floppy disk that allowed me to use my two restore disks, which allowed me to install WIN 98SE on top of the Compaq disks. In addition I registered this again with no problem with Compaq. I have partioned five drives, the last one is G drive on the last 8 GB or 32GB to 40GB of the new Western Digital 40GB 7200RPM hard drive. The PCI card is to allow the use of G drive.
Welcome to the world of "work arounds". Where the Delta Crew unknowingly and unwittingly have contributed to not only a repair but an upgrade to boot (I like that one https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ )of a Compaq 5360 which could not be done. I couldn't spell poprietary either and must not know what it means. Sounds like Compaq should put you all on big fat retainers for consultations or have we just realized something about the word can't by big companies.
Ok, I've vented and feel better https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. Wonder if they will want bench marks. This computer is running better than it ever did. All we need is a simple work around for the 32GB barrier. We are gonna git this dun podners, I can feel it. What is sad is that had I not found VirDr, I would have probably bought another new storebought computer because I would not have known any better and how many others have been in the sameboat? Sheeesh!!!
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The reason I have built jr and wanting to make another
GG1 also
Plus run these rigs like they never have. Live and learn.
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