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Back - back into your cages. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ I can't make informed decisions when I'm ROFLM*O. I forgot whether I supposed to get a Pentium or Pepto. Sheeeeesh. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Hi ceh383, Why an AMD over a PIII? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Mainly because it's much easier to pronounce. Do you say "three" or "!!!"?
Bistro, Thanks awfully for the "help". https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Would a trip to the "high mountain" maybe help o'guru of cyberspace? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
The AMD's are cheaper, but I haven't heard of anyone having a problem with the Abit 133BX. Dollars are important but stability and dependability are also. Dr MDJ mentioned it's coming to the end of it's useful life though. The way I see it once the unit is configured it is set unless of a failure at which time upgrading can come with other proven replacements that have taken place.
A name, I have a name, maybe etched in glass (the first mod)!! BT it is, in honor of Bistro and Train who have put up with the Queen of Hearts and myself for going on a year now. A plate on the computer will read:
BT
Made by Operation Delta
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And everytime I look at it, I will be reminded of all the members that posted and were a part of this. Better yet a plate with everyone's name on it also. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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This may be the stupidest question I have ever asked but Goose are you and QoH Related in anyway?
also just wanted to comment on the AMD processors...I have built 4 this year using the amd slot A T-birds....I have personal contact with 1 of these everyday and 2 others frequently as they were for people I work with....they are very nice for the price..I also put togther a p3 933mhz for another guy here at my work and it is just as nice but pound for pound if you check the stats....the athlon will outperform the p3
check out this performance test by gforces http://www.gforces.net/hardware/comp...p3/page6.shtml
**Sniff!** I'm touched...really touched...
(That's what the psychoanalyst told me anyway...)
Yes, the BX boards are being 'replaced" by bigger and better...but that's the way of technology. Everything's obsolete the week after they come out. (It's still a good, reliable board). The only combo I'd avoid is a VIA chipset and AMD--others claim success, but I've seen a few too many problems come out with that combination. Have heard that SIS chipsets seem to be a little more stable with Athlons.
Hi sarkazztic, we are related, we're Texans. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Sure be wild if she were in the immediate family though. Ho Boy. We just geehawd when we first started along with Bistro and Train. That's why we have what we have now, because of their ideas. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
But we're going to have to watch Bistro since he's "touched". https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ LOL
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you must have wondered about why I asked for the exact model information of this motherboard...
you see, about a year ago I got an abit "BX133", with slot one, and I tried it with EB600 piii (EDIT>> I believe I tried both a slot one and one on slotket, but it may be it was only tried with the slotket... since I got a true slot one later than the one on slotket...),
and tnt2 (m64 or vanta, I think it was a vanta). Well, it worked, but I soon got a proper bus speed CPU for it, and then it worked one hundred percent rock solid.)
now, the one you select is most likely a much later build, and the videocard you selected may work better, and you may even be able to select the proper FSB/PCI/AGP bus speed divider on the newer build.
but at least you know why I asked.
DrMDj seemed concerned abut the AGP bus speed as well, and that was why I wanted investigate this board.
(a Piii 866 would be a cumine @ 133, right?)
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Hi Jaak, Thanks for the info. Was wondering about your post.
Just remembered - off topic - added six more bookshelves. Technical books take one set alone. Surprised me I had that many. Found some on vacuum tubes with bias voltage measurements etc. Pretty neat to look at after all this time and compare to current day technology. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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gg1, why AMD over INTEL?
Bang for the buck....I don't see the PIII being worth the extra $$$. I have 3 AMD based systems and I have never had a problem with any of them(except for operator error https://discussions.virtualdr.com/) If you stick to quality parts, as it seems you are, you won't have any problems either. The major concern with the T-Birds is heat. Case selection is very important for heat reduction, these Antec are very good, as well as Inwin cases(I'm using a IW-S506). Which ever way you go choose your parts carefully and you'll have a quality machine.
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currently still downloading manual.
the Vcore on three possible CPU differ
but the motherboard should handle them differences without problem...
(let it be noted that in the trial I did last year, I had to use a slotket, and I never recommended using slotkets to anyone.)
abit BX133 raid manual
intel piii-CPU list
excerpted notes for CPU
SL49H/SL43J boxed= SL43J
2,3,5,7
SL4MD boxed= SL4CB
2,3,5,8
SL5DX/SL4ZJ boxed= SL4ZJ
2,3,5,9
explanation of notes;
2. This processor is in the FC-PGA form factor
3. This processor is a die shrink to .18 micron process technology
5. This processor's system bus operates at 133 MHz only
7. Vcc Core Voltage - 1.65 V
8. Vcc Core Voltage - 1.70 V
9. Vcc Core Voltage - 1.75 V
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Got a run in on your money I see. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Seen a few of them at times.
bistro
ref. your statement" The only combo I'd avoid is a VIA chipset and AMD,"
I Have had no problems that away, Hercules, yes. ASUS A7V and the darn KT133 is in it also. Anyway, that is what Belarc says.
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Case fans? Who needs case fans? This is they way we do it in Texas:
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/cool_case/cc_1774_1.jpg
....and Denmark - tried that trick once but it didn't work out very well. Didn't have a builtin AC, so the tubes were getting too long.... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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hmmm,
at least you have the option to select 1/4 for PCIclock/CPU FSB clock so your PCI cards run at proper bus speed
for AGP, 2/3 still results in 89 w.i over 66
however, they also tell you to set AGP to normal then, not default.
you better have a card w/i able to take the speed, tho...
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That is MACH2's computer isn't it. Anyway what I told him to do about a year and a half ago.
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Jaak,
That's the good-bad of boards like the BX133. The bad is that you are "technically" overclocking it (going beyond its design goal) in running it at 133mhz. The good is that is a solid enough board with enough adjustment capability in the bios that it can be done pretty much without problems.
GG1,
So it sounds like you're re-thinking your specs. Well, let's ask the basic questions. What are the kind of things you want to do with this creation? How long of a usefull life would you like to get? What's the rough budget? It would seem more logical to suggest "buy this or that" after knowing that. Based on your initial spec it doesn't seem like you're looking for (want/need) a killer setup.
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Train...are you saying to stay away from via chipsets with an amd processor or are you saying via northbridge and amd southbridge?
My first system that I built myself had was athlon slot a 650 mhz with the amd north and southbridge....nothing but trouble...but this latest one that I put together in march I think has a athlon slot a 750 with via chipset and it works great for me....Of course when I put together my new 1.2 ghz machine later next month the 750 will be going to the wife.....cant have her having a faster computer than me...lol
Understand that I recommended that board to Queen_of_Hearts because of it's stability, RAID capability (if so desired) and, as DrMDJ mentioned, the Soft Menu in the BIOS is quite flexible for overclocking if desired). Jumperless for ease of installing--wanted to spare Q-o_H) https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. Yes, there are better boards out now, but that was probably one of the better ones for her purposes. She's got a "killer" machine now primarily because of all the freakin' tweakin' she's been doing. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Alas, the way technology moves these days killer today is geriatric tomorrow.
Correction Bistro. Some of her posts a while back indicated she had squat. The kids had the killer machine. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
PS. Haven't you learned? Don't defend your choices/actions Bistro. Simply say, "I've been building PCs for 34 years. I haven't been a perfect man, I've made some mistakes. But out of respect...". The Condit approach.
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Hi DrMDJ, In answer to your previous question, I did not decide on two hard drives because of the RAID factor but because what seemed best to us last October and what we could do with this setup. ie the various options open to us. As I said earlier, I am flexible if I have to be to a point. We did a lot of study and reading and comparing that was recommended to us. The only way I will change the list is if the replacement is significantly superior to what is on the list.
As far as what I wish to do with this unit. It will be used to store knowledge and maybe a game or two such as Myst. Which is one of the few games that intrigues me. I will program, develop web pages, run a business, and anything else that strikes my fancy. Train and I are on the verge of some as yet unnamed projects. I will explore a myriad of computer possibilities because it's just there. Besides my family, I can't decide which is my next love; computers or flyfishing. I'll let you know if I ever find out. Realize that a computer is complex and many people specialize in this or that. I want to know as much as possible about it all. But this first. Think of the people that touch our lives through computers that would never have happened otherwise. Computers and VirtualDr brought all of us together and we are truly blessed because of it.
Oops, wandering. Sorry.
BT is a creation by not just me but all of us. By asking questions I can and will have a better unit than otherwise possible. Why because all of you are helping to make this possible from the knowledge and experience you have.
The budget not including the burner and digital camera is a thousand dollars + or minus 10% and the usual cost overruns ( https://discussions.virtualdr.com/) associated with a project of this scope.
This ensures that the most bang for the buck will be realized.
Gonna check this thread and see if I missed anything. Also save it again in its entirty.
Be back in a bit. Need a sandwich too - just got home and what did I do first. Check this thread. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Thanks corrected the post. I was quoting bistro and telling him that I have had no problems with the via chipsets and AMD.
The Hercules video card, he had helped me fix. Seems the fix has to be used on some of the 64MB cards also. Get the hack and back it down to keep them from overheating and locking up.
I got the Coolbit hack and the 1101 drivers. Sure helped my situation.
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The only reason I'd go with PIII is if I already had a MB and just wanted to upgrade the processor,but I'm frugal.The reason to buy AMD, price ,upgrade path,performance ,there have been problems with Soundblaster products and VIA chipsets,thats why I went with a good quality onboard audio(KK266Plus)and the VIA drivers are alot more mature nowadays so there probably wouldn't be a prob anyway.If I were set on Intel ,the PIII would be a good choice but its upgrade path is limited and an equal performing Athlon is going to be MUCH less $$$.If the RAM you have is PC133,you would be getting a VIA chipset if you went AMD,as the chipsets without problems,ALI Magik 1,AMD760,and SIS735 chipsets use DDR ,there are exceptions.
GG1,
Now it's sounds like I was confused/wrong. You aren't looking to redesign/rethink the system. I thought you were. Wasn't trying to talk you out of the original spec. If that's what you want and are comfortble with... I think you have a pretty good idea of what its strengths and weaknesses are.
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Goose if you are considering AMD you can find a (AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A PGA Processor-OEM Version ) for 107 dollers or a (AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4GHz 266MHz Bus Socket A PGA Processor-Retail Box Version with Heatsink and Fan ) for 126 dollers. Both have a 10 doller shipping fee and they can be found at http://www.newegg.com/
Hmmmm..."the Condit approach" eh?
OK....Here goes: I've been building systems for some 15 years now. I've put together some real screamers, but some were just plain ole vanilla variety---I've had a few that had technical problems after building them. But I feel I don't really need to apologize for that. I was and have always been innocent of any wrongdoing. It wasn't my fault. I had nothing to do with that girl....er...those systems breaking down like that. I love my present system and have always been faithful to it. (Except for that one system I built for that flight attendant...). That is all I have to say; except I wish the media would quit exaggerating and blowing my involvement all out of proportion...even if it is true....
Maxx
You ever get through it? Or did you do a job on more computers?
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I wish Maxx would hurry I want to borrow it. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Train,
I got side-tracked with building the new machine (MYST runs fine in hardware mode there, though) and was planning on getting back into it. I'm only about one-fifth of the way through. If I can drag myself away from all these forums I'm going MYSTing again. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
BTW...damn glad you helped out Caeser with the freezing problem...otherwise he might have blamed me for it...LOL. I swear I didn't drop a slice of that pizza inside the case... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Hi WG34, Interesting thought about the openend factor. I looked at the Abit BX 133 from the standpoint of dependibilty and performance only with the idea that if it failed I would be able to find a replacement equally as good. The Pentium 4's bother me as I think they were rushed to market because of some of the problems I have read people have had. I just felt that this was a good combo but if any of you know of any others please carry on since things can and probably have changed in the almost a year since we did this list.
Since I am going to have to order, looks like, we have until this weekend to look at more options and the pros and cons. This will give others a better feel for what has to be done step by step and what to look for.
I have a small time handicap also at the present time. The company computer's upgrade crashed and we are now working by hand. Don't mention backup, because I did. Wrong subject to bring up. Oops. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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maxx, how did you know it was pizza?
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Maybe just the cheese https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Hi Caeser, Will look at the AMD you mentioned. Train went that way too - AMD, part of it was price.
Let me ask all of you something. Why the big difference in price between AMD and Intel?
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Caeser
That was cheese residue you sent. Like you find on PIZZA, who can stand that stuff. Give me jalapenos and pickled fish any day. Yum YUM.
See we knew someone had not read his homework, or he would have known about that little glitze. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Goose,
I think AMD is selling cheap to gain a larger chunk of the cpu market. They probably have less overhead considering they are not the industy standard as Intel once was. Intel for many years had been the only legitimate chip maker and I guess they got fat as the US auto makers did in the 1970s. Now the cost Intel has making chips is much higher than there competition. Thats just my opinion I could be wrong
Thanks a bunch for the inputs. We're backed up and a good nite to all. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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GG1,
In terms of your case... I know you are looking for the InWin S500, a fine case. If you choose to stick with the InWin line, a couple things (though you may already know them) worth keeping in mind in your quest.
The S500 is really the same case as the S506, S508, S600, S700, and S800 models. The only difference is the front cover design/look. The internals are the same, including the placement of things (like the PS). So if you can find one of these, but not the S500...
Whether buying locally or online, confirm that the PS is the 300 watt variety you want. These cases come with 235, 250 watt supplies also. In addition, InWin uses good quality PSes (PowerMan or equivalent). So ideally you want the case with the "factory" PS in it. Some shops swap power supplies for cheaper ones to enable lower pricing of the unit. Similarly, if selecting a 300watt upgrade to an "advertised" case from some place be sure they are giving a quality name PS for the upgrade.
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