Two machines, one connection?

What about peer-to-peer network. Does both computers have to be on at the same time to use the Internet?

Sorry i don't know much..but a suggestion to others.

Peer-to-peer means that both computers are independent from each other. Each computer can have their own set of rules.

By the way u want to set up your network, I think it's server-to-peer. So the server is your computer and the peer is your childrens' computer.

The server much be on at all time to allow the peer or client to use the Internet.

If you knew all this already then peer-to-peer might be a good choice if it works.

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"The point of living, and of being an optimist, is to be foolish enough to believe the best is yet to come." Peter Ustinov

Sorry to be so late with this but duty (work) calls to often.

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I think what griffinspc means is both machines have their own modem, so both do not have to be on for connection from network to host but if both are to share connection, the network machine has to connect to the host machine's modem. Sounds like a good idea.

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That's about it. As far as the question from amathis, what I did was put a $2.00 spitter at the point just before the jack on my main PC where the outside line connects. At that point I used a 15 ft line cord through the wall to my wifes machine, the same hole that the cat 5 wire runs through for the network, and plugged that into her modem socket.

This allows her to only boot her machine and dial out in a normal manner when I'm not there and not have to mess with my machines and switches, hubs, etc., which she hates.
There are other times though that both of us need access (really rare now) and though I do find it quite a bit slower we can access together.

At first I was concerned that the splitter and extra line cord would degrade the signal but I had 49,333 before and 49,333 after.

No, both modems share the same line so they can't dial out at the same time operating independent of the network. You would get the error that there was no dial tone if you tried.

Obviously this entails purchasing a second modem but they are really cheap now and then it's a question of still wanting a network. I'd still say yes to that for you because you want to share a printer and there are a lot of advantages besides that. Backups, storage, file sharing, sharing periphials (sp) and just gaming between you and your kids.

As many have said you don't have to give your kids access to your machine and the easiest way I've found is not to allow drive sharing on yours but you may do it on your kids depending on the type of supervision you want on your kids surfing habits. If they have the printer and you need it you can share that still.

Last I would, as someone below mentioned, get Zone Alarm before sharing anything even with an isp connection. With just 2 machines you just need the nic's and a crossover cable for your network. How far you want to go after that is up to you. I hope I haven't gone to long with this. It's hard to remember what I said without scrolling up and down all the time. Good luck.

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"Finest Kind"

Aopen AON-325 with 15' crossover.

both cards in and cables connected,setup old machine.
Diagnostic shows passed I/O register and loopback test.
With other machine, loopback test failed.

tried reseating, then finally swiched cards.

now both cards fail loopback test.
new board damaging Nic card?

Got network Neihborhood on both desktops, but cannot make use of NIC.

RTFM tells me nothing in way of troubleshooting and setup networking.

whatamidoinwrong and whatdoido?



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It's either that or it's into the woodchipper

Did you try switching the cable end for end? Could be a bad crossover cable.

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There are no dumb questions only dumb looks....

If it doesn't work hit it with a hammer. If hitting it fixes it great! If it breaks, oh well it didn't work anyway.

Crossover?

Hmmm. I'm wondering this...

As it was made up for me.

are color lineups supposed to be the same on both ends?

they appear to be different.

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It's either that or it's into the woodchipper

Look here!!!!!
http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm

They are different at each end for a crossover, the colors don't matter just if the pairs are matched up right.

Check this out Wiring Tutorial for 10BaseT Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP)

Remember colors aren't as important as matching pairs!

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There are no dumb questions only dumb looks....

If it doesn't work hit it with a hammer. If hitting it fixes it great! If it breaks, oh well it didn't work anyway.

Well it's morning, I I'd like to overview, when one is tired one does tend to leave out details.

The loopback test I mentioned in diagnostics is in on board diagnostic program, I do not think it is related to connection to other NIC or cable. which makes me wonder if I did static damage during swap, as I thought ( mind you I was tired) loopback test passed with the first machine after setup.

Now both machines fail loopback test after swap as I suspected card in new machine may be bad, so I swapped expecting the old machine to fail loopback test with suspeted card and "known" good card to pass in my machine. but now both fail.
Led's interact when other machine's are turn off/on.

I tried network diagnostics, and set one to test as Initiator and other as responder, Responder waits and intitiator waits for responder, and initiator's machine activity light blinks rapidly.

To me, it looks as it has no trouble transmitting, but does not recieve.

Also, there has to be more to getting networking to work than just putting cards in and install drivers.

Or is it supposed to be that simple?

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It's either that or it's into the woodchipper

Look at these threads and see if they can help with your problem:

http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Arc...-2-016267.html http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Arc...-2-015863.html http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Arc...-2-015059.html http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Arc...-2-014810.html


amathis


[This message has been edited by amathis (edited 03-03-2001).]

Hi all,
Had a busy morning with errands and stuff, My wife came home from her early morning run with her mother and I told her of this issue. Jessica used to work for tech support at a large SQL based software firm using breeze systems and knew about setting up networking for their clients, but after a year leaving this firm, she has forgotten the routine.
Anyway, Just before she came home I went into Control Panel> networking and checked file both sharing and printer sharing boxes in both machines and reboot ( for the hell of it)at reboot, clicking on network niehborhood shows both computer names listed on my machine. but on kids machine, nothing.

I swapped cables around to rule out bad cable, if it was bad, kids machine would see mine, but I would not see theirs.

No change, so cable must be ok.

Next, Jess took over and typed winipcfg in run box and made note of IP addresses in both machines and made note of Subnet mask.
she set xxxx.xxx.xx.xfor IP and xxx.xx.x.xxfor subnet both both machines.

On the kids machine she set WINS Configuration to Enable WIN Resolution and typed xxx.xx.xx.xin the boxes. In DNS Configurationshe chose Enable DNS with Host name KIDS and input xxx.xxx.xxx.xxxin the box ( should that last one be 0?)

The above WINS and DNS values were not applied to my machine

anyway, there are no changes.

Jaak sent m an e-mail, lengthy one too, I'm going to read through and see if I can apply changes again.

I wish I can find a site that shows a step by step walkthrough on setting up a network from beginning to end.

Jess said there is indeed more to networking than just throwing in a couple cards with cable and install.

I was afraid of that....

But how else can one learn, eh?

Geez, not too long ago I learnd DOS... poor
Jaak...

Edit, removed Ip posted for reasons.

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[This message has been edited by stev-rey (edited 03-03-2001).]

[This message has been edited by stev-rey (edited 03-03-2001).]

steve,
the stuff in that email came largely from the four threads amathis posted.
by filtering I meant I speedread it
and pasted some parts...
you bet there is cool stuff in these links........

the screenshot you mailed me said one of these cards is using IRQ5?
(since you could mail screenshot, I assume it was from the card in new machine, which will not network...)

made a table of screeshot
you could maybe make a table of the other card
machine XXXXXXXX showed

AOPEN AON-325 Setup and diagnostics version 5.01 2000
-----------------on board diagnostics----------
Node ID .................... removedremoved
Network Speed .............. --
I/O Base ................... B800 H
Interrupt .................. 5
Full-Duplex ................ Disabled
Cable connection ...... .... Disconnect

...............................Pass count..........Fail count
A.I/O register ..........593.....................0
B.Loopback Test ..... 0.....................592


[This message has been edited by jtdoom (edited 03-03-2001).]

hehehee
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ poor Jaak https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
PLS, don't make me laugh, PLEASE, NOT NOW....
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ ouch! my ribs... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

IRQ 5
this one could very well conflict with soundcard or on board sound.

just about all links above have a few good tips and links in them
here are a few more http://hdallen.home.mindspring.com/ http://www.homepcnetwork.com/ethernet.htm

win95 http://corp-reflection.com/pub/peer/

stuff on netstat http://blacksun.box.sk/netstat.txt

you see, I wanna learn from STEVE in this...
poor steve https://discussions.virtualdr.com/




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Please remember, it's only free advice...
Kind regards, Jaak.

Jaak,

That screen shot I sent you was from new machine, and old machine does the same.

And it was old machine that would not network.

New machine sees both machines in network Neighborhood.

I thought old machine passed at loopback test, but I could have been just seeing things... new stuff is hard to remember when I'm pretty much working in unfamiliar territory. ( I'm sure you all can relate to that, unless you are autistic)

To bring you up to date, I followed that step by step link Jaak mentioned and removed the configurations Jess put in, iow, I started all over again from scratch.

Resulted in same scenerio as Jess's setup. except on kids machine, if I right click on Network Neighborhood and click on Find Computer and type in the name of my computer, it finds it. also if I type in the name of the kids computer, it finds it as well.

In a way, it "sees" it, but not in Network Neighborhood.

I'm getting closer, but somthing is still missing... gonna do some more reading.

Help would be appreciated.

gotta feeling, Im gonna fumble with getting kids machine to network correctly...

then fumble to get them online.

Oh, BTW Jaak, my machine has no sound card attached, so it probably assigned to 5.

I will change slots at a later resort, Nic card is in slot 2, next to vid card, but book says it is unshared slot.

Another note, slot 6 has a different slot than the other 5. they are all PCI slots, except #6 is has thinner connector, I thought that was odd.

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It's either that or it's into the woodchipper

the thin whitish is indeed PCI slot 6

the one at the far end is CNR 1
aka communications network riser slot 1
(other type card, on page 28)
I don't think this is a problem.

I'd assume it shares with slot 4, so put the card in there?



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Please remember, it's only free advice...
Kind regards, Jaak.

Not just yet Jaak,

I'm not gonna ever say I won't listen to you and may indeed move to a different slot. ( I know there is good reason too)

But good news, Primary Logon was Microsoft Family logon, and I changed both machines to Client for Microsoft Networks. it needed CD and reboot.

Got rid of kids own desktop and passwords. rebooted again.

chose one of the kids names and typed in their own name as a password, now they have desktop with a password I can access.

Now I see both machines in Network Neighborhood!

Snoopy dance, pop a beer, clink bottles, high five.

NOW....

Iv'e got to get this network to WORK.

So I can get the kids online

And set it up so I can access their files for supervision, but stay out of mine.

What's next?

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It's either that or it's into the woodchipper