What!! No more commentary from dougj?Quote:
Originally posted by dougj
{Dear mods. No more from me on this, I promise! :D}
ISP Answers RIAA Subpoena With Suit
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What!! No more commentary from dougj?Quote:
Originally posted by dougj
{Dear mods. No more from me on this, I promise! :D}
ISP Answers RIAA Subpoena With Suit
*sigh
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I in no way think that the illegal trading of music or any files should be promoted. However, the RIAA shot itself in the foot by first of all, waiting too long to do something constructive about the problem, and two, turning into some above-the-law police outfit that has a right to anything and everything it so chooses.
Hey MICROSOFT dosn't sell Doss 6.22/windows 95/and Dos and utilities, just because microsoft dosn't allow you to buy them, does that mean you have to STEAL them?
So when a site Allows downloading of Old Microsoft stuff, that they NO LONGER SUPPORT!!!! Microsoft IS doing what the RIAA is doing, going after the sites, What is different from Microsoft and the RIAA, besides music and Programs? not much!
Now the folks a www.oldos.org They were a Illegal site, but since Microsoft Threatened them, they are now a "Love Microsoft" site, and that is all they offer.
It's deja vu all over again:)
I wonder when they'll start going after the software pirates - arrrr matey. I don't think there's an equivalent organization for software developers - a necessary prerequisite it would seem.
Oops just saw OilPatch197 post above - never mind
:rolleyes:
Boy, that defaultuser guy must really be in some trouble :D :D :D
Beats me. So tell me, how does a company suffer financial losses if they don't offer something for sale, and someone gets it some other way? If they offered it for sale and people stole it, yes, they'd have a gripe.Quote:
Hey MICROSOFT dosn't sell Doss 6.22/windows 95/and Dos and utilities, just because microsoft dosn't allow you to buy them, does that mean you have to STEAL them?
When they refuse to offer it, people seek it any way they can get it. Then you gets used to something free, and now someone wants you to pay for it. I'm not saying it's right, but that's waht happened. I believe that if the RIAA had embraced digital music from the start, teamed with Napster to develop some kind of paid membership or per download charging, they could have made a lot of money and they wouldn't be whining like little kids now, trying to play catch-up.
Oh well.
oooo, economics!
A demand = No supply
Apples and oranges, my friend. The RIAA is still offering their product for sale. If some people don't like the terms of sale, then they should do without. Just cuz they don't like the price or format doesn't justify stealing it. You know, I really would like a lime green Lexus, but the price is too high, so I should just go take one, right?Quote:
Originally posted by spragers2
Beats me. So tell me, how does a company suffer financial losses if they don't offer something for sale, and someone gets it some other way? If they offered it for sale and people stole it, yes, they'd have a gripe.
When they refuse to offer it, people seek it any way they can get it. Then you gets used to something free, and now someone wants you to pay for it. I'm not saying it's right, but that's waht happened. I believe that if the RIAA had embraced digital music from the start, teamed with Napster to develop some kind of paid membership or per download charging, they could have made a lot of money and they wouldn't be whining like little kids now, trying to play catch-up.
Oh well.
Snagging a couple of candies from a bin that sells them for 6.99/lb is illegal, but hey, everyone now and then does it. (admit it!)
NO! Not everyone does it. I've not taken candy for those bins, though I may have been tempted.Quote:
Originally posted by Spooky Man G
Snagging a couple of candies from a bin that sells them for 6.99/lb is illegal, but hey, everyone now and then does it. (admit it!)
Anyways, I believe this ground has already been covered several times. Lets not take dougj into "Act III" on this one! :D
Yes, and soon to be, dougj and his 15 page rebuttal...
Awww, you guys sound like you miss me! {blush}
:)
A read of Title 17, Chapter 5 will answer many questions. Apples and oranges, and straw man fallacies - it doesn't really matter. Once the cases begin to be heard, this is going to look a lot like McCarthy hearings, despite the letter of the law.
...dauf
So DougJ, you SUPPORT illegal software downloads?Quote:
Apples and oranges, my friend. The RIAA is still offering their product for sale. If some people don't like the terms of sale, then they should do without. Just cuz they don't like the price or format doesn't justify stealing it. You know, I really would like a lime green Lexus, but the price is too high, so I should just go take one, right?
YOU can't buy them anymore, Windows NT 4,Doss 6.22,Windows 95.
So you do support us stealing them, because they are not available? hmmmm????:D
Doug said:
And I said:Quote:
The RIAA is still offering their product for sale.
I am not referring to the trading of current songs here, I'm simply using as an example, older songs that might still be copyrighted and *owned* by the RIAA, but no longer manufactured, sold or marketed. If you can't buy it from them, how do they lose anything if you obtain it elsewhere?Quote:
how does a company suffer financial losses if they don't offer something for sale, and someone gets it some other way?
Also, that applies to old software. If a program is no longer made, sold or supported, how does the original owner suffer any loss if you obtain a copy by some other method? Saying you're losing money because people are copying something you no longer sell and they can't buy (and won't be able to in the future) is a groundless threat.
That's the beauty of a digital music format. You don't *run out* of product, you don't have to worry if it's out of print or not, because it's *always* available.
And I go back to a previous argument, after being convicted of price fixing CDs to begin with, well, then they were stealing, too.
Keep in mind my examples are all hypothetical. I don't share anything online. And I ordered another CD last night on half.com (brand new CD for $10 shipped), so I'm doing my part to fight illegal downloads.
When Apple's Windows version of iTunes comes out, I'll check it out and see just how many of the songs I want would be available...