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Hi Jaak, Yep, BT runs.
Sarkazztic, The vid card is not the most expensive you can buy, but I think it will do what I want. Time will tell. Got a lot of tweaking and peaking to do but I am pleased with the results so far.
oops, haven't checked the speed yet.
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[This message has been edited by greengoose1 (edited 10-28-2001).]
I know it is not the most expensive....you say you work a little behind the cutting edge....well I work on the frugal side. : )
I am just wanting better video performance than the savage 4 32mb card I have....I get a little pixelation while watching streaming video and dvd's especially if I run them in full screen mode......my 3dmark scores are between 1400 and 1500 and I have heard of people getting around 4000 on those geforce cards....I may look into the card that train put into jr too as I believe he posted a 5000 score at least once.... is this correct Train?
Over 5k, 6450 I believe was the highest. Then when I change from the 7 to the 8.0a to run 3d2001 things fell out for me. Around 4500 -4800 now.
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Sarkazztic. that is why I work behind the cutting edge is because of money. LOL
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I am still running directx 7 havent found a need to do the upgrade to 8.0a yet...
gg1,
GREAT JOB. I am very happy for you.
Just make sure before little baby "BT" goes out into the world (WWW) he gets his shots (AV). https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
and by the way that was a great catch on the fdisk problem and a bent pin.
i've been checking in all day just to see how things were going and i have to admit around 1:00 or so i thought bt wasn't gonna make it, not without surgery anyway.
if i had problems with both the cdrom and hdd; i would have probibly suspected the mobo chipset was bad and then thrown the thing off the roof. but then i would have realized how much it costs and held back at the last second so i could exchange it. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
anyway all is GREAT news and i hope the rest of the loading goes well.
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also 36 deg C strait out of the blocks is very impressive. hopefully with the help of b/t/big s/QoH,ET'al you will get it down even further.
i'm interested in "cpu idle" and "rain" also, i hope you keep us up to date with your progress on that part as well. i would like to get my temps down too. but not as low as Big S, too d@mn cold in his office for me. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
sarrkazztic, is cpu idle shareware or freeware. where can i get it?
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[This message has been edited by onedaddycat (edited 10-28-2001).]
http://www.cpuidle.de/
Everything went well. Everybody is HAPPY.
Congratulation Goose YOU did IT.
Once again, CONGRATS Goose!
Now that the dust has settle a bit...
On this temperature stuff... Sarrkasstic, it's not that I say don't put much stock in temp readings, not at all. You definately want to keep processors (and systems) properly cooled. The point I try to make is that once you get temperatures down to certain levels (and/or keep them within certain levels) then decreasing them further doesn't buy one anything in "practical" terms. When temperatures are at certain levels the system doesn't run any faster, more error free, or more stable when you lower them further. And in terms of longevity, again it's a matter of practicality. There's no real data available to say "if you run an AMD 1 ghz athlon at 100F vs 80F it will last 5 years longer". And given all the variables/variations that come in to play it isn't practical to have such data on various system configurations. But beyond that... Today's processors (in normal/typical use) aren't really "that" fragile. Under normal use, and if operated within the guidelines set forth by the manufactureres (who's temp numbers are generally well above what most people target for and/or achieve), they will last quite a while. Now add to that the reality of how long people keep the same processor/system today before they upgrade. So (if being conservative) if dropping one's temperture from 100F to 80F increases the life of the processor from 8 to 12 years, does it matter? Very likely not. Again, there is no real data on cpu lifespan, but my point is I think there is sufficient data to say most cpus, if operated within specs, will far outlast the user's need for them.
People get obsessed with cpu temperature. Even a couple/few degrees. And for the average user (which most are) it is not buying them anything from a practical standpoint. Keep in mind, most of the temperature and cooling stuff ya see comes from and relates to overclocking, "real" extreme overclocking. We're not talkin' people that run a 1 ghz athlon at 1080 or 1100 mhz here. That's peanuts, basically within design spec. The "overclockers" push the envelope. If it's the true overclocking that one's talking about then much more attention needs to be paid to cooling. But for the typical user... I'm not saying "don't worry and run at the max temp the manufacturer say's you can". Simply that a) you (speaking generically) don't have to run at (say) 71F, and b) different people/systems can run in a range of temperatures and all be fat and happy for a duration that will meet their needs.
The fact that you've got your system running at 71F is great. Would it really matter if it were 85F? Very little. With a room temp of 60F you have a base to start from that many don't. By default, you can't (barring extrodinary measures like water coolers, etc) it isn't possible to get the system/cpu temp below room temp (really, several degrees higher). So those with warmer climates/rooms have no hope of achieving your temps. Does it mean by default their systems won't last as log as yours. Perhaps so. But you may have to wait 10 or 15 years to find out. Then again, perhaps not. And almost assuredly not if they can manage to keep temps within certain levels.
So I'm not saying ignore temps/cooling (though I will say that temp monitors (hard and soft) can produce varying and "somewhat" inaccurate readings). All I'm saying is for people to be practical. "Lower" isn't always meaninfull.
On software coolers (rain, cpuidle, etc)... There's also WPCREDIT and WPRSET that are free and can be used. On systems that have a lot of idle time (which most home systems do) they can indeed help cool things down. However, when the system is being driven hard and continuous they don't/can't do a thing. Their effectiveness and need depends on the system in question, the bios revision, the chipset and the chipset drivers in use. And on many systems temperatures can be tamed/reduced simply by using a diffrent driver set or bios revision (The A7V is one where the bios revision has a temperature impact, which is why I asked Goose what revision he was at). But where needed (and applicable) these software coolers can help. But as said above, when a system is being driven hard they are not the answer, and no substitute for "real" hardware solutions.
Ok, let me climb off that soapbox. Sorry for sidetracking things...
So goose,
Right now you have no cards (other than video) in your machine. As I recall what you will have eventual (some sooner, some later) will be your sound card, a network card, a modem card, and a scsi card (for Jaak's burner you're getting). Yesterday, (in one of the threads) I posted a list of the IRQ sharing/assignment that goes on with your motherboard. As I've said previously, you might want to take a look at that and figure your card placement (now and planned) with what's gonna get what in mind. It may allow you to save some conflict/sharing/performance issues from coming up. Just a thought.
This thing is underclocked now? To what, why?
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[This message has been edited by DrMDJ (edited 10-28-2001).]
Good Morning All. BT is doing well - stable. Anything improvements to BT will be posted as they are made. BT is as much yours as mine and his home is Operation Delta.
Sarkazztic, BT is big enough and has enough drives to do a lot with it and to try "stuff". Train and I have some tentative projects to do that we've talked about.
logowriter, you said you got lost yesterday at one point. Please post any questions you may have. I, nor the others were ignoring you, but at that time it was a little "hairy". The glitches were upon us. You posted some nice "stuff".
I've been thinking about..........Be back in awhile. LOL
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Just to BT up, I had GG1 leave the DRAM Frequency at 100 instead of changing it to 133 and also there is the question of the CPU jumper settings that I did/do not know. Easily fixed. Just like to be a dash conservative the first day or two until I get the feel for the temperature business.
Also there is a bunch of stuff in Shadow Configuration to verify the settings of.
That takes time to go through and nothing to worry about right off the bat.
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logo cpu idle is shareware that has to be registered after 30 days...I think it is 20 dollars to register....
Doc sorry I think I left my post unclear about your saying not to pay to much stock to the temps....I was talking about what you said a while back about the accuracy of the temperature reading devices....you said and I paraphrase of course....most if not all software or bios based temperature reading elements would be at least 5-10 degrees off one way or the other due to the nature of the beast and the only true way to get an accurate measurement of system and cpu temps was to use something like a thermocouple mounted at the base of the cpu and close to the chipset for system temps...again sorry for not being clearer when I used your name as a source of information....hopefully this time I have conveyed it a little better for the people that are considering a future build of their own....
Goose..I do realize that BT is plenty big enough and you will eventually have 2 40 gig drives in him, all I was trying to say is maybe don't run tests with your primary hard drive in the computer.....maybe you would consider buying a smaller say 20 gig drive and loading the operating system on it and putting it in the machine when you want to do some type of test....not data recovery from the compaq drive or anything like that but if you are downloading things from the internet and installing them or anything that puts the machine at risk....granted you are more familiar with fdisk and format now than you were 2 days ago but once you get all your programs on BT and get him humming along with all the reg tweaks that MO is going to send you and get Myst on and have level 30 completed (I have no idea how many actual levels there are) you will not want to have to format and load all that stuff back on if an experiment goes awry....I am just trying to play the role of the cautious one here because I know first hand how frustrating it is to get a machine just right and then to download a new driver or something and have it all go to crap and the work it takes to get it back to the state it was before...
I am just saying be careful you have a sweet system in BT
DrMDJ, Just read your last thread, I will get that list for setting up the cards. Right now I'm sifting through everything and trying to get it all in it's proper place in my mind.
Train answered on the underclock. Be back.
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This is just a suggestion....but Doc pointed out yesterday that pci slot 3 is the only unshared slot on that board....I would reserve this slot for the SCSI card that you will need to run Jaaks CDRW may save you some headaches down the road...