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Oh... well thank you for the education! Have been exposed to those before... along with other odd (old) configs.... Always figured they were too FUBAR to mess with. Just old stuff creating a SNAFU...... ya know. ;-)
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GG1: Ok, so amidst all the additional educational info, I got lost. Have you decided between AMD & P3/P4? Re-read the thread but not sure I can tell.
I myself am partial to the amd, not exactly sure why. Could be a childhood thing, ya see doc, it all began when... wait a minute, wrong session. Back to reality, or at least my reality.
I have an AMD and I do like it, I think ya get more bang for the buck.. Some of the things I have heard about the P4 (mostly from here have been less than positive, and my mom worked for intel for 20+ years, so I am sure there is some of my obstinate rebellious side rearing it's ugly head.
Sorry, I am begining to ramble about pretty much nothin'.
GG1,
It's all been discussed before (other threads), but nothing has changed to alleviate the dissapointments in performance that the P4 can display. It is highly dependent on the proper software to recognize its potential. I still believe that for typical use, with today's software, it is a processor for the future not for now. My advice is that if you want to go the Pentium route, then go for a PIII. The reductions in price on the P4 (and RDRAM) have not removed all the reasons that the P4 is not all together ready for primetime.
As for your board (and cpu, and ...), it does indeed sound like you are going (or leaning strongly) towards the side of what you are familiar and comfortable with. And I know that's largely based on the build of the QOH machine. Understandable. But the configuration used for QOH was not the only viable or suitable one at the time (there's never just one). And things have changed a lot since then. There are many alternatives that will allow you to do just as good, and better. It may slow the process while you investigate and decide, but I think you will be better for it in the long run. Besides, if it doesn't work out, Bistro has agreed to take fully responsibility. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
You're right to ask questions like will you benefit from "stepping up" on certain things (like the cpu). Excessive idle capacity/capability is a waste. I'm not talking room for growth, I'm talking excess. And a lot of people today buy excessive capacity. Hey, it's their money so more power to 'em. But they don't need it. And someone like you knows not to get trapped in to the bigger/more or latest-and-greatest is always better deal.
I saw nothing in your brief explanation of what you intend to do with this machine (original thread) that seems to require a particularly high end machine. You want something that is stable, reliable, and meets your needs with some growth room. And there are many alternatives/combinations available that will meet those needs, and hit your budget targets. But that's the beauty today. There are many viable choices. All of which one will be able to live with and never look back.
In terms of your question above about going to 1 gig vs 866... Such an increase would likely yield you nothing appreciable (to write home about) if you were also using the same fsb, and memory bus, speed. Now if you were asking about going from, say, a 850mhz T-bird running at a 100/200ddr FSB and PC133 memory to a 1gig T-bird running at 133/266DDR FSB and PC2100 memory... Here you could get a decent pop from the change/move.
More commentary than recommendations here I know. But for now I just wanted to throw these few things out.
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Good Morming All, Continue to have problems at work with AS400 upgrade problems so may not be able to post much today.
T-bolt, I had a good plan but with all the additional info will see if there is something better for the 1000 dollars as well as better dependability, stability, and performance. Don't feel lonely about getting lost. Whenever I get hit with a large amount of information I feel the same. It just takes time to go through it. As I said before be patient and don't get in a rush. Go at your own speed. So hang in there and ask questions if you don't understand something someone said. I keep separate files on major posts by the posters name and subject so I can go back and refer to or study something as the need arises.
Maybe I should have just gone ahead and built using the original list but I didn't and I had to ask some more questions. And ya'all answered. And you have raised questions in my mind about which way to go. Now a lazy man would go with the original plan and not cause himself additional work. But I have to look at the points you have raised and now do some additional evaluations.
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Howdy Abhoth and thanks for jumping in. Need all the help I can get.
sarkazztic, BT stands for Bistro Train in honor of their putting up with me when I found VirDR. They took it upon themselves to try and pound some knowledge into this hard head.
Bistro and DrMDJ, Very interesting comments. Thanks. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Answer? All of the above.
The 400 acting badly eh? Been in the AS400 ops arena myself before... PC's rule the life these days though.
P4 is out, Intel is just twitchin' too much for my liking. VIA is stirring their pot MoBo-wise.
P3... a proven performer. Has familiarity on it's side. Go for the added power if you can fit it in the budget... you just don't know how much that next 'killer app' is going to need! And when I'm sitting here running Dreamweaver, Flash, chatting here while watching the latest news up in the corner and I open up that Adobe PS app I don't want problems!
AMD truely has a price and performance advantage... but with unfamiliarity comes more research. Higher bus speeds really sell me on the AMD and if I was building I'd have to go that route.
So, spend some time at Tom's Hardware Guide, good info and pulls no punches. And if all else fails, tie on a #14 to a 6x, gently land it and wait for the strike!
Life is grand, have a bitchin' weekend all!
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Greengoose1...As always this mission, should you decide to accept it, is all yours....
If any of those components are fried, Train and Bistro will disavow any knowledge of you or your actions...Good Luck, GG...
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What? what? a size 14 to a 6X. Must be a renegade, mosquito, adams ...... Oops wandering again.
The AS400 upgrade has now reduced us to manual work arounds including record keeping with yellow tablets and pens/pencils.
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling you're standing at my back Bistro after that comment. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Why me????
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Bistro Train mmmmm that sounds like a food based porno......Happy Friday to all..
Renegade or Green Drake... St. Joe in Idaho, 18 in. cutthroat. oh the joy.
So while sitting in the Bistro on the Train, headed to Greengoose CA for a little flyfishing, I was jotting a few notes on my little yellow tablet thus ensuring my data collection would not be toasted.... singin' those as400 blues.....
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Nice little ode to the AS400 blues abhoth...
just had my evening ruined....I am doing some free work for a friend at work...had to strip his drive last night he has a 30 gig drive....set to 10 gigs for os and programs and 20 gigs for storage...he is a digital video capture fanatic......I get him all set up and humming machine just purrs like a kitten.....he calls me this morning and wants to do a dual boot with 98se and wants the partitions 5 gig for win2k 3 gig for 98se and 2 11gigs for storage....my company does not have a copy of partition magic in our library...so I have to start all from scratch. what a way to spend a friday night. Oh well computers are our lives right...
Abhoth, Ohhhhhhhhhhh??????? An 18"cutthroat? Hmmmmmmmm. You do not have an E-mail listed. And I would like to expand this fishy story, I mean fish story in greater detail, https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
What we have to go through to build a computer. Oh well someone has to do it. LOL
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Will have to update that.... and I haven't even mentioned the 20 inch rainbows we wooly bugger outta the lakes here! ;-)
sarrkazztic, dude! Key words there, 'free work'.... oh my... have a few like that myself.... I'd say teach him to do it himself, but then you'd be over there fixing it I suppose...!
Ya know we really gotta get back to building this thing!
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We have some of those monster trout down here in Oregon to Abhoth.....You are correct about having to do the work at his house....he is 53 and I give him the respect he is due because he is 20 years older than I am but if he would quit installing and uninstalling etc etc. I have spent more evenings at his house repairing things than I can count...but I have also learned alot from his mistakes.
Abhoth
I hope you released those minnows. Watcheed a 30" rainbow get landed at Wennas Lake.
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Not sure if this is a good place but since you folks "seem" to be the experts, could I get some critique of a system I plan to build later this year?
AMD Thunderbird Athlon-C, 1.4GHz, Socket-A, 266 MHz FSB
Tyan Thunder K7
Crucial PC-2100DDR Registered
Antec SX1240 Case
Enemax EG651-VE 650W Power Supply
Viewsonic P220F Flatscreen Monitor
Sony SDT-1000 DDS4 Tape Drive (SCSI)
Iomega Jax Drive (SCSI)
Teac Floppy Drive
2 Seagate 18GB, 15000 Hard Drives (SCSI; Dual boot w/ Win98 and WinXP)
2 Seagate 73.4GB, 10000 Hard Drives (SCSI)
1 IBM 73.4GB 75GXP Deskstar (IDE for data)
Pioneer DVD RAM (SCSI)
Plextor 16/10/40a CD ROM (SCSI -- understand they are no longer mfg. SCSI drives)
SoundBlaster Live Platinum 5.1
Hercules 3D Prophet III GEForce 3 w/64MB DDR RAM
Klipsch Promedia 5.1 Speakers
ATI All-in-Wonder w/ Radeon Chip Video Capture Card
Logitec Cordless Mouse and Keyboard
APC BackUPS 900
U.S. Robotics External 56K Modem
HP OfficeJet G85xi
Cayman DSL Modem/Router
3Com Networking Hub (Linksys?)
I'll be networking 3 other computers -- Win98, WinNT, multiple laptops (Win98, WinME) -- no RAID, little game playing and lots of video interaction, e.g. TV. Big machine for a first attempt but after checking the many forums, particularly this one, I'm feeling up to the challenge.
Thanks in advance for any comments and route me somewhere else if this is an intrusion on your discussions.