Global Warming.....A Hoax?

This program aired in the UK a few days ago. It makes an excellent case that global warming is not a man-made catastrophe as Al Gore and others would have us believe.

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+Swindle&hl=en

It's a little over an hour long.....so some time and a broadband connection are pretty much required.;)

As a longtime doubter of human-based global warming....I found this documentary a refreshing viewpoint over the hysterics we are usually bombarded with.

My son is a Solar physicist, he has always said that global warming is rubbish.

I have little doubt that global warming is real enough. My problem is whether it is really man-made or part of a natural cycle. Geological records show that the Earth has been far hotter than this many times in the past. And I dislike the way any scientist who dares to question man-made global warming is drowned out, and automatically accused of being in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that rational debate is being stifled makes me very suspicious.

In any case, we'll all be glad of the extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere when the supervolcano under Yellowstone National Park erupts. And that is definitely a case of when and not if.

OK, try this-> Drive you car into a garage and close the garage door –stay seated in the car and leave car running for a couple of hours...If you’re able come back here and post that you survived I’ll will no longer believe that millions of cars over the past and future decades are or will do any harm to our atmosphere.

Then again, if global warming “is” true, why should we care? We won’t be around to play with our great great grand kids anyway.

See now.....this is interesting......;)

Nobody is actually watching the video. I know this because it is 75 minutes long and the post timestamps are well in advance of that....:p

Unless you have seen it already....of course....

Thus an indication of how emotional and charged this issue has become. People wanting to post, pro or con....before even seeing the evidence presented. This is exactly what the video addresses, in part, that the global warming issue has passed beyond science and into the political or social realm. People have made up their minds already and don't even want to hear any more. That's not how science works IMO.....

All posts are more than welcome of course, but I urge people to actually watch it. Surely an issue as important as this (pro or con) is worth 75 minutes of your time.;)

Your point's interesting, Steve, but it's pollution-related, not warming-related. Even so, the Earth's atmosphere is greater than 2 quintillion cubic feet - 2,113,400,000,000,000,000,000 ft³ (figured using 80 miles as the upper limit of the atmosphere); it's constantly being replenished with oxygen, rain washes particulates out of it and solar radiation breaks down many of the heaver molecules. A lot of space for dilution and dissipation.

As far as global warming, I don't suppose increased solar activity could have anything to do with it? I certainly don't trust the data provided by people who seem to make the data fit their preconceived notions. Their computer modeling is based on a steady-state assumption of Nature, which is hardly reality.

I saw most of this programme when it was shown in the week.

The Earth is definitely getting warmer at the moment, but that's just part of the cycle. The video mentions times not so long ago when the ice caps are smaller than now and temperatures were higher. The Sun has an eleven year cycle and lots of these events are clearly related to some of these cycles. When you think about it what a brilliant way to get more taxes, just mention we got to be green or we need to save the planet and the money rolls in.

My son has mentioned many of the points in the video to me long before this programme was shown, he studied Solar flares for his Phd.

Philgo.....

How is it being recieved in the UK? I heard the channel is running it again tomorrow. I have no doubt that if it was run here, whichever network ran it would be picketed and protested the next morning...and everyone involved would be investigated for dirt. I can almost see Wolf Blitzer already.....

"It has been discovered that one of the scientists involved in the show has two unpaid parking tickets. Can he be trusted in the light of this revelation? More coverage of this breaking story throughout the day as CNN investigates the investigators!"


:D :p :D

Then, there is this...

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...031455,00.html

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Climate scientist 'duped to deny global warming'

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Any parking tickets?:D :D

He probably lives in West Palm Beach, and voted for Pat Buchanan by accident too.:)

Anyone smart enough to be a scientist is smart enough to know what he was doing and where he was doing it. Conversely, I wouldn't believe any research he did if he is gullible enough to truly be duped like this.:)

http://www.iceagenow.com/

Who is right, darn if I know.


On Nisqually
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...s/Ice_Age.html

I have climbed in that area. Sure lot more open spots than there were a few years ago. Just what I have seen. Granted the upper part looks like waves breaking.

If it wasn't so cold outside.....I would go out and hug a tree.....:p :D

He may have been naive enough to have been duped but I'm sure he knows more than all of us put together. He was certainly knowledgeable enough and highly regarded internationaly to have been chosen as an unimpeachable and credible source by those that made the movie.

Surprisingly in the UK it was given a very low profile, didn't even know it was on, channel hopping at the time.

All one has to do is to google "Martin Durkin", the individual responsible for the film to find out all there is to know about him, his previous projects and his agenda. Oddly enough he describes himself as a "Marxist" LOL.

Well...thanks for that....

I'll be sure to catch Al Gore's, An Inconvenient Truth then. I'm sure there's no agenda there....LOL:D

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Originally Posted by lgbpop

Your point's interesting, Steve, but it's pollution-related, not warming-related.

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OK, one of is confused:confused: Where do Green House gases come from if it doesn't come from pollution?

I'm quite sure that he too has an agenda but given a choice to put stock in those who mock and do nothing and those who are concerned for our planet, health and future generations it's really a no brainer.

Ya know....everyone has an agenda. That's why it is important that one make their own determination on the information presented. You can run with the herd or be trampled by it...

I was once an environmentalist type. I was a member of Greenpeace back when they were doing important things like saving the whales from extinction. But I resigned after awhile. Resigning from Greenpeace is very easy....you quit sending them money and they kick you out.

I quit supporting them when they started getting militant and anti-human (which is brought up in the video). I can confirm what the guy was saying about environmental movements because I saw it for myself. Don't need a Google or newspaper article....I was part of it. As years went by I saw more and more environmental groups going political and started to change my mind on a great many things. I still believe in animal rights, don't hunt....and still get choked up when i see the fur seal hunt footage every year. I also think we should be going away from fossil fuels in favor of solar, wind and yes nuclear.

But right is right and wrong is wrong. Creating a panic (which is what I now believe is going on with climate change) is not the way to go. The end doesn't justify the means here.

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Originally Posted by Steve R Jones

OK, one of is confused:confused: Where do Green House gases come from if it doesn't come from pollution?

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Now...if you watch the video....which I still think nobody is doing....you would know that answer.:p :D

Just kidding Steve.....had to toss in that jab... ;)

The video points out that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas....however it is a minor greenhouse gas compared to water vapor. And most of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere comes from natural sources like volcanoes, rotting vegetation and the oceans (largest contributor). Things we couldn't control if we tried for 1000 years.

Just a few years ago these same people were saying that we were all going to freeze to death in an ice age :rolleyes: They've been coming out with different disasters for at least the last 25 years, and they all get quietly forgotten about when the next disaster theory comes along.

Mind you, some things are real enough, there is a supervolcano under Yellowstone National Park, the Canary Islands will fall into the sea sooner or later and cause a mega-tsunami, and sometime or other another big asteroid is going to hit the earth.

Sparks....don't forget the alien invasion soon to be upon us.....:eek:

Giant ant creatures that will enslave us....and force us to toil in their underground sugar mines. Forced bilogical experiments to create a super race of ant-humans!:D






Sorry....had a Simpsons flashback there................:p

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Originally Posted by maxximilian

Giant ant creatures that will enslave us

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Funny.

I was sitting on my front porch yesterday with my 3 year old whne he suddenly started scremaing.

I said "what's wrong" and he said "an ant an ant behind you" pointing at your every day couple of mm long black ant.

I said "until there's an ant 10 feet long behind me, I'm not worried" but he ran inside.

From your comment Maxx, seems like I should be more worried.

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...most of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere comes from natural sources like volcanoes, rotting vegetation and the oceans (largest contributor). Things we couldn't control if we tried for 1000 years.

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This is where the "mankind is evil" group comes in. Another source of CO2 (albeit a minor one) is man. All animals, actually. According to them, every breath we exhale contributes to global warming. That crowd omits one inconvenient fact: almost all plant life requires CO2. In turn, plants provide oxygen as a waste product. Neat circle - the more animals producing CO2, the more plants there are to provide oxygen.

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Funny.

I was sitting on my front porch yesterday with my 3 year old whne he suddenly started scremaing.

I said "what's wrong" and he said "an ant an ant behind you" pointing at your every day couple of mm long black ant.

I said "until there's an ant 10 feet long behind me, I'm not worried" but he ran inside.

From your comment Maxx, seems like I should be more worried.

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I don't know whether you should be worried or not....but I watched a nature program on ants in Australia....and you guys have some big ones. :eek: They sorta run you down and jump on ya.....

I saw where you have a particularly poisonous one to people that are allergic as well....

Around this part of the US....we don't have many big ants. But get enough and they will carry you off to their mound and feed you to the queen, though.:D

I have been downloading the global warming swindle video from Google because I got tired of the constant stop/starting thing...but it's taking over 2 hrs. to download. I have broadband, although at the lowest service speed so I'm wondering if this is about normal for this kind of download?

The Solar correlation is undeniable and irrefutable.

I was able to stream the video without any interruption. It downloaded completely long before the program finished running....

The file is about 233 MB.....so it's a biggie.....

It could be your connection....but also the fact it is getting a lot more hits now and Google video servers are getting strained.

As a test....I hit the video link again. It is downloading much slower than it did last night. Also I see there have been about 25,000 more hits since last night. That's a lot of data streaming at 233 MB a pop.....

I have been wondering about my cable connection. I get a lot of interruption even when watching something like the MSNBC news video clips. But then sometimes the video will play for a few minutes w/o interruption and then it will begin a 2 or 3 second go/stop cycle...very un-watchable, to say the least!

In the case of video like .wmv or .mpg....I would say boost your player buffer so more downloads before trying to play. But I don't know how buffers work with Flash video files.:confused:

I checked Youtube and a couple other sites I know.....but they only have selected clips, not the whole program. I'll post the link....but seeing just the clips is not the best way to judge what is being presented. It's the ultimate "out of context".....

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...arming+swindle

So, there is a buffer adjustment in WMP and in Quicktime that I can adjust? Thanks, I'll take a look and see what I can do.

Edit: I'll also look at the Google player....

Yeah.....for WMP there is a buffer setting. More here:

http://www.viewz.com/aol/dijit/dijtip57.shtml

Don't know about Quicktime....and as I say....don't know about streaming Flash as to how or if a buffer setting can be changed. However...the easiest way is let the video start playing and then hit the pause button. Then go about your business while it downloads and come back when you have most or all of it locally cached.;)

Thanks, I adjusted the cache in Quicktime...it was set to "0" and I set it to about 500Mb. I also increased the delay time...maybe that will clear things up for Quicktime.

I didn't see any settings available for the Google player. Oh well...I can do as you suggested or just let the whole thing download before watching...no biggie either way.

I'm gonna look at WMP next...it's the one that I seem to use more than Quicktime.

Global warming has caused the cables etc to slow down.

Especially the CPUs on the servers which have thus throttled back.

:D :D :D

I agree....it's gotta be that pesky global warming.....:p

Either that or the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll.

There are a lot of chicken farms around here...maybe all of that chicken s_ _ t has permeated the cables...:p

Well, it's simple we need to control the sun, solar winds, and clouds. Then we can control the weather. LOL

Actually without co2 we can't live either. I remember from school learning that we breath in o2 and give off co2 and then the plants in return breath in the co2 and give off o2 for us.

If we are forcing africa to use solar and wind power why are we not doing more to use it here. I don't know anyone who actually uses solar power for energy. It's not very reliable and costs more than fossil fuels.

Politics and press coverage. I think they are the cause of global warming if it exists. Even before viewing the video I didn't accept global warming as being caused by man nor the ice age. I just hope we aren't going into an ice age.

Isn't it in 2027 that that giant asteroid going to destroy earth anyway? So why get all worried about global warming or entering an ice age.