you have to watch this flash. has some "pretty good" evidence about 9-11's pentagon strike.
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
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you have to watch this flash. has some "pretty good" evidence about 9-11's pentagon strike.
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
...and what the maker of this amateur Farenheit 9/11 "film" doesn't mention or show is the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. Take a good look at the wreckage scenes....no wings sheared off....no large fuselage parts....no tail assembly. THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN THESE PLANES CRASH AND BURN LIKE THEY DID, THERE IS NOTHING LEFT! They practically disintegrate. Please....take it from someone who has experienced these first-hand. Quit thinking Hollywood airplane crash scenes....sometimes they are like that (large pieces)....often they are not (you get pieces no bigger than your hand)...just depends on the angle of descent, speed, what it hit, did it explode first then crash, how much fuel was on board, etc. etc. etc.. Remember that most jet airplanes are really nothing more than flying gas cans...how do you think a 747 can fly for over 11 hours straight from LA to Australia?
I really get torqued with this kind of "the sky is falling" conspiracy stuff. ....very similar to that idiot who claims that the fire from burning jet fuel was not hot enough to melt steel and cause the Twin Towers to collapse, so it must have been a secret government conspiracy with preset explosives, blah, blah, blah.......give me a break.
A similar if not the same video was linked to from somewhere within this thread.
Also some other interesting links in there.
Will we ever know the truth.
Whatever happened to JFK's assassination going on public record after 30 years so that we could all find out the real story ???
Is Elvis really dead ?
What about Princess Diana's death ?
The theory of evolution ?
For those that believe in a god or equivalent thereof, is is a man, woman, other lifeform or being ?
Phew, sorry I'll stop drinking those VBs.
I prefer the conspiracy theories that say it was Israel who was behind it all :rolleyes: :D
I just think that everybody should look at this video and make up their own mind. There are too many unasxwered questions about 9/11 to just look the other way, say "Oh another conspirady theory," and forget about it. Conspiracies do happen. Most of the major events in history involve conspiracies. People conspire all the time, that's how things get done. I work in criminal defense. The most common charge filed by federal prosecutors is conspiracy - conspiracy to sell drugs, conspiracy to commit murder, on and on, That's what the RICO act is all about. So please spare me the "oh that's just a conspiracy theory" argument and lets talk about facts. Such as, why is there no pictures of the jet hitting the pentagon? Why was this low flying jet not seen by anybody? Why was the hole in the wall only 12 feet or so in diameter? (Somebody said it was because the hole was made by one of the engines. If so, what happened to the fuselage? Did it vaporize before contact?) The fact is that there has never been a real public investigation of this crash or the twin towers crash. There's more questions than I can ever put in this note. Just please keep an open mind.
Anyway, about my hard drive crash....
As has been stated previously the alluminium used in air plane contruction actually becomes inflammable at higher temperatures causing self sustaining fires which will destroy much of the structure.
So where were you on the night in question and what is you alibi my slippery friend......... or should I say Mon sewer Giultee :DQuote:
Originally posted by usil
I prefer the conspiracy theories that say it was Israel who was behind it all :rolleyes: :D
ROFL :DQuote:
Originally posted by 104456
So where were you on the night in question and what is you alibi my slippery friend......... or should I say Mon sewer Giultee :D
even at high temperatures though. metal will melt, it doesnt just disappear. as for the pennsylvannia crash, the aircraft hits the ground at incredible speed, and much fo teh wreckage was actually probably buried. for example when a meteor hits earth what happens to it? it breaks up and drives itself into the ground. thats one reaosn the pictures form pennsylvania crash look liek there is no plane whatsoever.
so people who disaggree with conspriacy theories, are u saying u thin the governemt is corrupt and scandalous in all other areas, but when it comes to a national disaster the government for once has clean hands......thats laughable.
I'll bet there is a lot of ticked-off terrorists in the world when they read that no one believes they are behind these disasters, but an evil, corrupt government is taking the credit. :rolleyes:
Why aren't there any pictures of Princess Diana's crash, even though she was followed by paparazzi on motorcycles? Oh....yeah...I forgot....that was a MI6 conspiracy (or so the conspiracy hunters say)...no cameras allowed. OK then...why weren't there any pictures of the Air Florida flight 90 crashing into the 14th Street Bridge here in DC? Oh....yeah....that too was caused by the government, that somehow, someway arranged that no one around had cameras. OK then...lessee....uh.....Pentagon....uh....maybe because a lot of the people were still arriving at work and they don't allow cameras to be brought in and perhaps that's why just about everybody (if not everybody) in the area wouldn't HAVE a camera handy or be quick enough to capture on film a jet barreling into the building? Could be....Quote:
Such as, why is there no pictures of the jet hitting the pentagon?
I've been in this business long enough to know that there is no government on the face of this earth that is squeaky clean, but I also have seen time and time and time again where people want to see conspiracy behind everything disastrous that happens. Anybody can take a series of circumstances and make conspiracy theories out of it.....including amateur filmmakers and ones who have initials of "MM". An "open mind" goes both ways.
Hey Bistro good buddy.
I don't know what business you have been in for so long. I'm an investigator by profession myself, and I have learned long ago not to jump to any conclusions. And I am jumping to none here. Others may be, but I have offered no explanation for the events at the Pentagon. I just think that the official explanation is full of holes, and we deserve better.
As for the absence of photographs, I am referring to the fact that there were photogrphs taken, but none has ever been seen publicly because the FBI confiscated them the next day. Please, instead of thinking up all these what ifs, why don't you just take a few minutes and actually look at the darn video. (P.S. you might also take a look at MM's film also. As many names as he has been called, no one has ever been able to come up with one incorrect fact or statement in his movie.)
See ya.
I have already viewed the darn video (when it first came out).
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm
Bistro, I agree, someone is dreaming a wish.
And I know they have never been on the ground and eyeballed a plane crash. Mass time Velocity plus the fuel does not leave much even if put out in two minutes.
Never did find the motors. And the plane did hit a concrete berm.
Never ever ask bistro what he does in an open forum. If he should actually tell us.....every person in this thread would have to be killed......:eek: :DQuote:
I don't know what business you have been in for so long
There is not one event in human history that doesn't have an unanswered question or two. Hence....a conspiracy can be spun about anything that has ever happened and there will always be someone willing to do it. There will also be someone willing to believe anything too.....
If we are to take the theory that the pentagon was not hit by jetliner at all....then we would have to consider EVERY theory including the one where a UFO was seen over the twin towers and was in actual control of those planes....:rolleyes:
And yes..........those guys have video and pictures too.....:rolleyes:
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar folks......;)
yes but sometimes a cigar is a blunt as well ;) ........2 sides to every story
Maxx: Let me just make this one more post on this subject, and then I promise to drop it. People on this forum are for the most part thinking, rational people who use logic and reasoning in their daily lives to good effect. And I'm sure you are the same. However, you use a classic example of "sliprery slope" logic in what you said here:
"If we are to take the theory that the pentagon was not hit by jetliner at all....then we would have to consider EVERY theory including the one where a UFO was seen over the twin towers and was in actual control of those . . ."
Slipery slope logic is faultly logic, in fact it is not logic at all, it's just a rhetorical device. There is no connection betwen what I said and UFOs over the twin towers. Every one who has responded to what I have said has put words in my mouth that I didn't say. All I say is that there are many unanswererd questions, not one or two, but many many of them. And instead of answers we get evasions and lies. I don't know what hit the pentagon, and you don't either. Because we have never seen any evidence. But like I say, I'll leave it there. I don't suppose I will convince you of anything, and that's okay. i just wanted to put some ideas here for other people who are browsing.
I'm out of this one, see you in the XP forum
I look forward to finding out the truth about:
JFK
Lady Di
9/11
I'll just wait patiently.
clarencex.....
Not my intention to put words in your mouth..... :)
Here's the problem with conspiracy theories in my opinion. In almost all cases they aren't driven by a need to learn more facts, but rather to create "facts" to push an agenda. If you dig deep enough....you will find that nearly every theory coming out of 911 was begun by people who hated Bush....or in the case of real bizzare theories involving the Mossad....hate Israel.
Many websites pick these stories up and run with them....without ever checking the source.
The full theory runs something like this....
Bush, with the help of the Mossad (Israeli Intelligence) designed and carried out either the attacks themselves or created the "illusion" that they occured. This was so Bush would have a reason to invade Iraq and Afghanistan....thus creating a permanent US military presence in the area.....allowing Israel to run rampant over its Muslim neighbors. The Pentagon hit was an illusion, so that damage could be controlled and kept to non-important areas. The towers were equipped with bombs to be sure they came down in case the planes didn't do the job. Al-Queda was just a scapegoat.....
Or something like that.....
Your Pentagon film is actually just a part of the whole conspiracy. Dig....and you will start seeing the rest. That's all I am saying....
As for rational thinking people....IMO, that starts with common sense. It has to pass the plausibility test first.....
But hey......it aint a deal breaker for me. I ignore these theories and others don't. That works just fine.....:)
Did someone mention Mossad? :eek:
I know the truth... it is out there... :eek:
But I'm not gonna tell you... :eek:
Its all written right there... :eek:
In the X Files!
P.S. Maxx, your website doesn't seem to work
Are you saying that I have conspired to lure people into a website that in fact does not actually work?:D
Works fine for me.....but if there was a problem when you tried the link....I am blaming bistro......:eek:
That's right.....I forgot that I was voted as "Scapegoat of the Month" while I was away. :D :D :D
Your not the "Scapegoat", your just conspiring with the government to make us believe that it's not a conspiricy... :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by bistro
That's right.....I forgot that I was voted as "Scapegoat of the Month" while I was away. :D :D :D
Oh yeah..........bistro is conspiring against my website. I am sure of it....
I came to this conclusion right after checking my tooth brush for listening devices......and before wrapping new tin foil around my anti-satellite colander hat.
Wellllllllllllllllll.....when everybody is out to get ya....paranoia is just plain ol' good thinking...... :D
Were they theories? :DQuote:
Originally posted by usil
I prefer the conspiracy theories that say it was Israel who was behind it all :rolleyes: :D
Are they really Aliens! den,den................dern
That's bogus.....
Everybody knows that aluminum foil will stop mind control, but you MUST have the stainless steel colander hat to defend against the brain-sucking satellites. Just having the foil is like having a firewall that only blocks one way.:eek:
That website is misleading people into thinking that foil alone can protect you! :mad:
:D
Hey, thanks for letting me know maxximilian, I could have been seriously compromised, while thinking I was protected all the time :mad:
Now to see if the missus will let me have that colander :D
Another view http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
And apparently it's all foretold in the US money http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dyn...05172002.shtml
I would like to check that out personally......but I don't have any 20's, 50's or 100's....... :(
I spent all my money on foil, colanders and a shelter to protect me from the Illuminatti and the new world order. Which is, of course, plotting against me with the space aliens at the secret Antartica base..... :eek:
But you all knew that.....right?
:D
Actually, here's the true dirt on 9/11:
Elvis (still alive and working as a CIA agent) used one of the surviving Roswell Alien spaceships to direct the planes into the twin towers to prevent the true information on the Kennedy assassination from being leaked. The secret documents were located in two British government offices, one in each tower. These documents were given to the British government by Jimmy Hoffa (also still alive, now working as a British agent).
What isn't generally known is that Hoffa and Princess Diana were secretly dating just before her death. One night at Hoffa's secret hideaway (it’s really a BatCave - I guess Hoffa liked to dress up as Robin while Diana dressed up as Batman and hurled insults at him when they were having sex) anyway, Diana found out about the existence of the documents while rifling through Hoffa's underwear drawer. Hoffa then dumped Diana once he learned of this, which really ticked her off. So she threatened to blow the whistle on him and the British government. Hoffa had no other choice but to have her killed.
Suspecting that Diana might have blabbed about the documents. The British government relocated them in the World trade center. Of course the U.S. government found out about this but didn't know which of the two offices they were located in and had to take them both down to be sure.
You may be wondering what these documents reveal about the Kennedy assassination? Well, evidently Kennedy found out the truth about the Roswell crash and told Marylyn Monroe the whole story. Bad idea. The CIA panicked and with the help of Elvis and Hoffa (a double agent at the time) had them both killed. These documents of course implicate Elvis, Hoffa, and the CIA in Kennedy's death.
So why did Hoffa give these documents to the British government in the first place? Hoffa and Elvis were actually lovers, and after having a quarrel over peanut butter and banana sandwiches, Elvis dumped Hoffa. He was so enraged that he took the documents to Britain and was going to use them as leverage for getting back together with Elvis, but it never worked. Hoffa is still in love with Elvis but Elvis is still angry with Hoffa for putting ketchup on his peanut butter and banana sandwich. It's ironic don't you think? 9/11 was the result of a lovers spat between Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis. Hoffa is trying to forget Elvis and is now dating Tony Blair.
Yeah I liked that when there was one you could do with the $1000Quote:
Originally posted by maxximilian
I would like to check that out personally......but I don't have any 20's, 50's or 100's....... :(
I'm sure that not many people have one of those handy and if they did there's probably better things to be done with it than origami.
Uhhm where did I see that $1000 bill thing I'm sure it was on there earlier :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by Nix
Yeah I liked that when there was one you could do with the $1000
I'm sure that not many people have one of those handy and if they did there's probably better things to be done with it than origami.
Must have been abducted by Aliens.
And on that note some PC (but weird) bathroom signs of the future http://www.glennbeck.com/pchouse/index.shtml#signsQuote:
Originally posted by JKB
It's ironic don't you think? 9/11 was the result of a lovers spat
I think JKB has this whole thing figured out.......:D
I think this http://www.glennbeck.com/pchouse/bul-men.gif is deifinately something to with strange radiation eminating from your head into the bath tub.
And don't be fooled by http://www.ready.gov/i/nuc_vis_escape4.gif. If the source or a radioactive blast is within half a block of where you are there ain't much point walking in the opposite direction especially if it was part of a nuclear blast wiping out everything within a 60Km radius.
And you don't need a foil helmet, just use a door http://www.ready.gov/i/nuc_vis_shield2.gif and minimise exposure to your groin to 5 minutes and 12 seconds if you want to have children http://www.ready.gov/i/nuc_vis_time3.gif
and always be aware for people sweating profusely and looking like Michael Jackson http://www.ready.gov/i/expl_vis_cover_nose2.gif
'Conspiracy Theorists' is a way to dismiss people with information that doesn't fit the official line,people who find the Nick Berg video manipulated,or doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald was a loner with a grudge against Kennedy,or that the MPs in Abu Ghraib were just a few sadists who slipped into the military.Given the overwhelming evidence of despotism and conspiracy in today’s society,the debunker attempts to stem the flow of progress and knowledge.The debunker is the social dinosaur of the Information Age,clinging tightly to times past,of a history that is every day being proved more and more fabricated and false.I am not referring to 'The Moon Landing' or 'The Elvis Is Alive' crowd,these theories only debunk genuine conspiracies and place them all in the same casket.
In all things,time will bring either truth or death to all ideas,ideals,
beliefs,and theories.Time and truth will perhaps vindicate the conspiracy researcher,and time and truth will eventually bury the debunker in an unavoidable sea of reality.
I would still like to know who was behind the insider trading on September 11th.2001.Who placed the put options on American Airlines,Merrol Lynch,Morgan Stanley,Axa Re and Munich Re???Too many questions and no answers.
Regards,
Marina
I would argue that it’s just the opposite. Conspiracy theorists can’t accept the fact that reality, for the most part, is mundane and not orchestrated – life is much more stochastic (randomly determined) than we would like to believe. They also give way too much credit to governmental competency. The so-called evidence is usually flimsy, and more simple/plausible explanations are available to explain alleged smoking guns. There’s also the Gnostic element in all of this, i.e., having access to secret knowledge. It provides an ego boost for those who believe they possess some secret knowledge that everyone else is unaware of. I guess since modernity has purged superstition, demons, and other occult forces from the minds of most people, something else needed to take its place; and what better than global conspiracies perpetrated by men in black suits and sunglasses.
But then again, it's only a matter of time before visitors from other planets land on the White House lawn and expose the nearly 60 years of UFO government secrecy. I can't wait!
By definition.....anytime that two people or more plan or discuss an action....it is a conspiracy. So no doubt that conspiracies do exist. Two guys robbing a bank, two guys planning an internet scam, or two guys planning to swindle the stock exchange (happens all the time)....
But that isn't what any of us are talking about. It's the 'big boys'.....those schemes that change our very understanding of how things work and change the course of history even. These don't happen all the time and are in fact exceedingly rare. Even a most infamous conspiracy like the murder of Julius Caesar isn't what we are talking about. That was a classic conspiracy with history changing results....but it was out in the open. Nobody in the shadows with an unknown identity....pulling powerful strings. In short.....no fun at all.....
Questioning is a good thing.....but remember "too much of a good thing".
The conspiracist's bread and butter is taking things out of context, misdirection in the form of detail over whole and finally......an agenda of their own. The conspiracist tells us debunkers that we shouldn't accept things on face value....and then proceeds to swallow a conspiracy theory in seeming defiance of their own philosophy. As I said earlier.....dig into the sources of these theories and you will find an agenda.
THAT is the 'true' conspiracy.....people looking to spin an event to bolster their own way of thinking....
Seeeeeeeee.....there is a conspiracy of conpiracists trying to get me......LOL:D