Daizy's Boat Anchor

As I was getting extremely embarrassed to be poaching on greengoose1's thread http://discussions.virtualdr.com/For.../004875-2.html ....I'm going to try starting my own.

I'm trying to get thoughts/ opinions on whether to upgrade this computer, or build/ buy a new one.

Train...... what are you agreeing with bistro about? That I need a new mobo and cpu? Or just a cpu?

Daizy

And yes, I do only have a 4mb graphics card...but I have an AGP slot....won't that let me get a newer one?
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[This message has been edited by Daizy (edited 09-06-2001).]

How about a new computer. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Upgrade on the cpu and motherboard I agree with. Yes, but the present mobo seems to support a 800 P III. now that is no slouch, If the information I found on it was correct.

bistro
What about the mobo , you think it is a antique? Ur the Intel guy.

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Train:
Yes, a new computer is absolutely an option as well...but first I want to see how long until I can make you all rue the day you answered this post! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Daizy

Now.....about that handy dandy AGP slot?!

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Do you have a AGP card now?

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Originally posted by Train:

bistro
What about the mobo , you think it is a antique? Ur the Intel guy.

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Hard to tell--perception is relative. To me? Yes. To Thomas Edison? A marvel of science.

What I read for the "A+" version was that it's capable of only up to 500mhz. I would consider a whole new upgrade. But I realize that there are other considerations here, such as money, budget, buckaroonies, expenditures, bank accounts, dollars, etc.. Have to consider all those factors...



[This message has been edited by bistro (edited 09-06-2001).]

If the A+ only goes to 500 then a upgrade would be in line. I keep finding the A(N) mobo. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Originally posted by Train:
Do you have a AGP card now?

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I'm totally resisting the urge to call you a Smart A** https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Let me rephrase my vast knowledge in a terminology you can comprehend.....I have an AGP SLOT!!!! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ bistro:
Yes....and ironically enough......here in Canada..... loonies! (That's our two dollar coin btw)

Are you saying....or aren't ya...that changing out the motherboard AND cpu would be more expensive than buying/ building new?

Daizy

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Wanna know what my trusty manual says? Tough... I'm gonna tell ya anyhow!

It says.....and I quote:
MAXIMUM EXPANSION POTENTIAL:
The P6BX-A+ has seven free expansion slots. Two slots are available for 16-bit ISA cards, and 5 slots support 32-bit PCI card. (one PCI slot and one ISA slot are shared. You can install and ISA card or a PCI card, bot not both together.) In addition, there is an AGP slot for the optional istallation of an AGP graphics card.

HIGH PERFORMANCE PROCESSING
The processor Slot-1 (plus the retention module) supports the latest high-performance Pentium-II processors from Intel. The mainboard uses the latest 440BX Pentium-II support logic chips. This chipset aslo supports a 100 MHz host and memory bus.

Which means absolutely squat to me....but makes me feel really good about buying such fine equipment! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Daizy

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We established the fact you have a video card. Now what I am trying to find out if it is a PCI or AGP card that you have.
Agp card plug into the AGP slot
PCI video card should be plugged into the first PCI slot.
Yes, have a few loonies and claim to be also.

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Ok people...back the bus up! Seems I have been giving you all the information from the computer I fried before this one.

Something didn't sound right...so I ventured to take the side off the case to have a gander...and lo and behold:
It is a NEC FR520 1.0 Board
Manufacturer GVC
Model Monorail BIOS v0.40
Serial Number 05/19/1999-SiS-620-2A6ING5AC-00
Chipset SiS 620 Chipset

System Chipset
Model Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS620 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es) ISA AGP PCI USB SMBus/i2c
Front Side Bus Speed 67MHz
ACPI PM Support Yes

System BIOS
Manufacturer Award Software International, Inc.
Version 4.51 PG
Date 05/19/99
Plug & Play Version 1.00
SMBIOS/DMI Version 2.20
ID No. FC 01 00
(EE)PROM Size 256kB (2Mbit)


Features
Can be Updated (flashed) Yes
Can be Shadowed Yes
Is Socketed Yes
Supports APM Yes
Supports ACPI Yes
Supports Plug & Play Yes
Supports ESCD Yes
Supports Enhanced Disk Drive Yes
Supports Selective Booting Yes
Supports LS-120 Boot Yes
Supports ZIP Boot Yes
NEC PC-98 Spec Compatible No

Processor(s)
Processor Intel Celeron @ 400MHz
Co-Processor (FPU) Built-in
Type Standard
Packaging FC-PPGA Socket370
Performance Rating PR480 (estimated)
Rated Speed/FSB 400MHz / 67MHz
Multiplier 6x
Generation 6th (6x86)
Model Information P6C (Mendocino) Celeron 300-533 2V
Revision/Stepping 6 / 5
Stepping Mask mB0
Microcode MU066503


Got this from SiSoft Sandra.

I'm so sorry guys. Are ya saying "Uncle" yet? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

So, we're back to what Bistro said, I think...that this can only go to 500....does the upgrade to a new mobo/ cpu still apply?

Daizy

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[This message has been edited by Daizy (edited 09-06-2001).]

If THIS or THIS is your motherboard, I'D GET A NEW ONE.....

I'd call my uncle, but he knows nothing about computers https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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[This message has been edited by ceh383 (edited 09-06-2001).]

https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ ceh383:
Could you call your uncle anyhow?! That doesn't look like mine https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

But thank you hugely for even attempting to read this post! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Daizy

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The chipset on these boards is different than what you list. Yet the second link is to GVC's web site.......go figure https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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[This message has been edited by ceh383 (edited 09-06-2001).]

That board appears to really be a GVC (or BCM) IN620 board. Not sure where the FR520 came from.

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Hiya DrMDJ:
So sorry you got sucked into this ongoing migraine....but you're all too sweet for trying..thank you! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
The only thing I am certain of at the moment, is that it's a Monorail 6200 series, 400 megahertz Intel Celeron. The NEC FR520 1.0 info came from Belarc..the rest from SiSoft Sandra. If you have a more exact method to getting this info..please tell me?

ceh383... you're getting so close. That last picture you sent was almost right, except my Dimm Slots are beneath the processor on mine. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Daizy

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Can find very little information. What I've found indicates it can support a 100mhz front side bus setting, and up to an 8.5 multiplier. However, I can find nothing on supported (core) voltages. The processor in there now (400) uses 2.0 volts. Once you get above 533 mhz in the Celeron line you're in to the Coppermines. These require voltages in the 1.65-1.75 range. Don't know if your board can be set to supply these lower voltages. In addition, none of this says where the cutoff is for the bios in terms of being able to handle/recognize faster processors and/or coppermine type processors.

So in the best (but probably unlikely) case at this point, you might be able to go up to 850mhz. In the worser case, you would max out at 533mhz.

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[This message has been edited by DrMDJ (edited 09-06-2001).]

No problem at all. Everyone's here to pitch in.

Like I said, not sure what the FR520 stuff is about. The FR520 is a socket 7 board, which your's isn't. In cross referencing some stuff the board seems to fit the description of the GVC IN620 (also made under the name BCM IN620). I found most of the above info looking for BCM IN620 references. Maybe someone else can dig up something more.

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ DrMDJ:
And thus....at the worser case scenario......533 just wouldn't be noticeable..do you think?!

So.........am I reading you right, in saying...to leave this whole system be...and get/build another? (Don't let my ineptitude on this thread fool ya..... I get lots dumber than this!)

Daizy

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If the limit is 533, then I probably would not upgrade what ya have. If it's more... Trouble is I cannot get any info to confirm if it may be more. Ugh.

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Wow! This thread really grew quick while I was away... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

The view from the mountain lends itself to conclude that you would probably be better off with a new build (or a retail system--Dell, etc.). It appears that any gains CPU-wise would be somewhat minimal and still have you a couple of years "behind" compared with current CPU speeds (again, a matter of perception; some folks are perfectly content with similar systems as yours).
It's your choice; it's in your ballpark; you have the conn; it's all yours; you..... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Ohhhhh bistro!:
I was so sure I heard you scream "Uncle" a long while ago! I've chased off Train to contemplate if computers ought to be sold to Canadians! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

Funny you should mention Dell.....as that's exactly what I've been looking at lately. (Funnier still how you totally ignored my "build" idea! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ )

What I can't possibly live with is "some folks are perfectly content with similar systems as yours" !!!! As a patriotic representative of this fine loony country... I now must have bigger and better!

Thank you kindly for taking the time to reply. Now off you go to find me a steal of a deal on the web! I'm not totally committed to Dell...yet!

Daizy

Oh....and DrMDJ please don't spend another minute on this... you've been wonderful. I've gone into research hell over here..and it appears that Monorail doesn't even make computers anymore! They've partnered with some OEM outfit it would seem.

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Daizy
Was helping the Goose. Scandisk will not clear that cluster https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Win /d:m will not boot to safemode, scandisk stops it again.

Dell seems to be a good brand. So why not. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Just think of the wear and tear it would save. OOPs https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Worry not, for I shall not spend a second more.

Build? Did someone say the "B" word? Uh oh, head for the hills... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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And so, friends...we come to the close of our saga, "Daizy's Delirium"... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/im.../2001/09/3.gif

*stumbles into thread and trips over chair*

I say build another one. It's nice to have a backup in case you try to install a TNT2 card in one of em...LOL https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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MAXXIMILIAN'S

Hiya Train:
I just took a boo over to goose's thread. I've got my fingers, toes, and eyes crossed for him! ( I type better that way anyhow)

I've got hopes that kallikru is right, and it can still be salvaged.

You do know by steering me towards a Dell..... you're throwing down the gauntlet don't you?! And here in Canada......that can mean for really cold hands! ........hmmmmm.......or something equally as scary as that!

Daizy

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Face first into keyboard. And it did a del windows. tut tut. Gots to watch out for the threads.

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Originally posted by bistro:
And so, friends...we come to the close of our saga, "Daizy's Delirium"... http://www.contrabandent.com/pez1/cwm/cwm/twirl.gif

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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ bistro....... you don't know the half of it! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/



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Thank you soooooooo much for your faith and support Maxx! Seems to be a lacking commodity in this thread! I'll have you all know that TWICE a day my Vcr displays the correct time! Yep....... you're all turning a mite greenish with envy now.....ain't ya?! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Email me for instructions.........they're too indepth to post here!

Now.......if goose ever gets through scandisk and tells us all what parts and pieces he's gonna get.....I'M gonna get em too! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ (Stop it! It's not nice to wish bad luck on greengoose1! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ )

Daizy



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Now don't you listen to maxximilian....he'll have you try converting your system to a clear plexiglass e-machine with more neon than a Las Vegas casino marquee... http://www.data-techniques.net/cwm/c...ge/CD_anim.gif

I'm off to Home Depot this weekend to price some plexiglass. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Something tells me it aint cheap. Maybe it will look like those neon signs out front of adult movie theaters. Not that I really know about such things...

https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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MAXXIMILIAN'S

Wire Maxx up tio Grand coulee Dam and he could power calfornia for 90 years and the dam would be pumping water upriver. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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Just as an aside (or an 'affront'--whichever way you want to take it....), one article I saw recommends clear PVC plastic over acrylic--according to them, it doesn't warp or crack with heat as acrylic may do.

(Omigod...what am I saying??? Sounds like I'm actually approving of this hair-brained scheme!!! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/)

Thanks Bistro...I won't tell anyone you helped me out on this one. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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MAXXIMILIAN'S

maxx call your local glass shop...the kind that makes windows or mirrors...and ask them for acrylic in the thickness that you are interested in.....an entire side panel for a mid tower is like 8 bucks..or check out bestbyte.net for pre cut windows. pretty cheap that way too...

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/fun-stuff/376d.shtml

There's a link for you case window lovers.... neon light optional....

And Daizy, build or buy, don't upgrade. That's a good spare machine maybe but not worth the $$$.
How badly do you want to learn the finer points of hardware and building your own machine? Or do you need a solution more quickly and efficiently.... with support!?

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[This message has been edited by Abhoth (edited 09-07-2001).]

Maxx,
Was it "Queen of Hearts" that did the stain glass window? Why not one up, stain glass window plus neon light? https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Opovet https://discussions.virtualdr.com/

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REAL FRIENDS do not ask friends to fix a Packard Bell or an old Comcraps!!

Daizy, Good goin'. Leave no question unasked. Just wanted to let you know I'm following - what is the word - lurking, that's it lurking.

You already know this, but take the time to assimilate the info you get. Don't be in a rush. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/



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