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Operation Delta 28 now begins. This thread continues to evolve as computers are built and then modded and overclocked. It is interesting to contemplate what will happen next.
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Hi matt2sexe4u, Delta is an acronym for Dedication to Excellence and Long Term Acheivement and we combined it with Operation to indicate movement. Originally started as a thread to help the completely inexperienced person a way of building his own computer without mistakes. The threads that make up Operation Delta are long and highly detailed. Due to this there is also fun and humor. Right now we are dealing with overcloking and modding. The people who monitor this particular thread use it for various and highly technical issues when they are not busy helping someone start out.
Anyone can drop in and ask a question or make a comment or post results on whatever they are doing. Hope this helps you. Be well. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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The sound of silence. Bet someone is busy elsewhere. Capacitors and transformers stink when shorting. Sure hope netfish gets sorted out.
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Yup, just us. Gives us time to reflect. The Queen of Hearts has probably overclocked herself again.
Net fish did say if I read it right, he had swapped out pcs to check out.
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Had to drop in and say "howdy" from Cleveland. Answered a couple of posts, but have to sign off now. My Brother-in-laws system and server are so slow, it's driving me up a wall. Brother-in-law is hesitating comitting himself to buying the parts so I can rebuild a decent system for him. Arrrgh!
(he DOES stock a decent beer however....) https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Maybe see ya'll tonight sometime...
Made it OK also, had to circle 45 minutes at Charlotte plus with a hours delay in take off in Pittsburg, ended up a hour late arriving here. New grandbaby is a KEEPER https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
bistro dialup does seem slower for some reason https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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You're just partial already. Glad you made it safely. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Congrats on new grandchild! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Just make sure you keep the baby and throw out the bathwater....
partial already, You bet and goose you know that is the truth https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
bistro, mom and dad may want to drown her after I get done. Probably all 4 of them.
Had to clear a error message out of this machine. Defrag005 believe me with only 32MB ram and a AMD K6-2?? 233MHz cpu it took hours. Added powerfulPC and appropriate vcashe, speeded it up. also, slipped WinMe defrag in, but if you were to go start >run, 98defrag> OK the old Win 95 defrag will run.
Left it that way for problems and need to use safe mode. It worked beautifully.
May you all have a good week. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 04-14-2001).]
WE INTERRUPT THIS THREAD FOR A STUPID QUESTION:
Never posted in a "Delta" thread before, but I was wandering if I could ask a question. I've been looking at alot of systems in the newspaper ads. Most of them have "Intel Direct 3D AGP Graphics" What is this all about? I assume this is onboard graphics card? Is it any good? Thanks folks. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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No problem, maxximillian. Ask away anytime. That's a standard graphics driver (not a card)--often found in systems with onboard video made by Intel ("reference" driver).
Can refer to the video chipset itself also.
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Hi Max, you found us. This place is in a coast mode at the moment. If you want to see what goes on read the other threads at your leisure. Lie low though when the Queen of hearts shows up.
Train, glad things are fine.
Bistro, you don't think QoH is doing stained glass easter eggs do you. Happy Easter and nite all.
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Thanks bistro. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Just in the shopping around stage now. Hoping to buy or build https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ in the coming months.
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Gots to get to bed. And as the post time is correct for out here, I must say Nite all myself.
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Hi greengoose. I've been perusing the past Deltas, but to be honest, it's mostly over my head. Learning though. BTW, my Aunt's Compaq that you and Theoran were assisting me on the other day with all those weird background programs, is running fine. So far I got her back about 23% of her resources. Still room to shave a few more I think though. Good luck with the Deltas. I'll be reading them in case I opt for a build rather than a buy. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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eh hem...
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HAPPY EASTER !
Happy Easter everybody. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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Happy easter to all https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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HappyEasterToAl.SorrybutI'malittlebuzzedfrom
eatinghalfofmydaughter'sEasterbaskettoday....
AHHH, the after effects of a overdose of sugar and Easter goodies.
Nice and sunny today . Temp about 74. And would you believe there is a sun in the sky!! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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For the benefit of any & all Operation Delta readers:
These links have been posted here, there and yonder, but if you're interested in case modification ("modding") here they are together at last...:
Virtual Hideout---probably the best site for modding on the net; good how-to articles. For visual ideas, check out their Cool Case Gallery--start with the "Main" and work back. IMHO, some are really great, others are downright ludicrous https://discussions.virtualdr.com/.
For regular and modding supplies, here are some suggestions:
Plycon
Case Etc.
2 Cool Tek
*Remember, should you decide to accept the challenge of modding your case and you completely ruin it, everyone here will disavow any knowledge of your actions.... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
(In other words, go slow and be financially prepared to replace the part if need be.)
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bistro:
What hard drive did you guys decide on, and where did you get yours? Also, how much dinero?
maxximilian deserved a better quality answer than that.
Several members of Intel's i81x family of motherboard chipsets for mainstream and value (read cheap) desktops, specifically the 810, 810e, 810e2, 815, and 815e, were designed with built-in video. When you see the phrase Intel Direct 3D AGP Graphics, it indicates that the system was built with a motherboard based on one of these chipsets.
The bad news is that ingegrated video limits your ability to upgrade. 810 based boards cannot include an AGP slot, 815 boards can, but often do not. The integrated video is certainly sufficient for browsing and office type applications. It is also generally sufficient for desktop video (media player, real player, DVD, MPEG, etc.). It will not be sufficient for high-resolution 3d gaming.
Upgrading with PCI based video card will be possible, and with some 815 based systems, adding an AGP card will be an option.
The good news is that, compared to other boards with built-in video, the Intel boards are generally more stable, and offer fewer compatibility problems than those based on SiS, VIA, or other chipsets.
Here is a reference link for information on current Intel chipsets: http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...mainstream.htm
Thanks for the info and link, zaphod. The machine I'm using now has on-board video and sound and I'm hoping to stear clear of this on my next one. The local Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. seem to only offer this configuration, so I'm leaning back toward building over buying. Upgradability wasn't important before, but it is now. Thanks again. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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You are most welcome. I am just visiting VDr, sort of on a field trip from another internet.com board (HardwareCentral), but I wanted to chip in an answer or two while I was passing through.
A lot of major brand PCs are built with integrated motherboards. It helps save costs for components, and for labor to assemble the systems.
If you want to do some shopping I'd suggest going to www.pricewatch.com and looking at PC-Kits.
Use pricewatch in conjunction with www.resellerratings.com to find low prices from a dealer with a good reputation for internet commerce.
Zaphod: Perhaps you are correct that maximillian "deserved a better quality answer than that", but after being around here for so long, I've observed that 80 to 90 percent of the posters aren't looking for high detailed answers, but prefer simple ones. (Used to bowl them over with all kinds of details that just ended up confusing them) https://discussions.virtualdr.com/. That considered, I've tried to keep my answers as short and simple as possible (with as little technical jargon as possible) and, if they wanted more, I (or someone else) would provide that if necessary or requested. Don't get me wrong, your post was welcomed--just wanted to clear the air a bit.
sdtech: Hard drive makes/models are a toss-up. Quality has improved all around, so it's pretty much a matter of personal preference. But it's pretty much a "given" now to purchase 7200rpm, ATA 66/100 hard drives if you want to keep up with the Joneses. I prefer the Western Digitals over the Maxtors--seems the WD's are quieter. Seagate, Quantum, Fujitsu are all good brands. Usually folks have tried one, two or three brands and have just decided to stick with one. When it comes time to replace or add, they just prefer to stick with that brand.
Short = Good
Wrong = Bad
Zaphod
About those intel chips you listed. Might want to do some more research. All I will say about them.
bistro
Thanks for putting the links on one page. But, this thing is slow enough that I will wait till I get home to chase them again. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Yah all take care, yah hear me. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH, somebody pray for me. Just saw my next case here. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Needed at least two external 3.5's and room for two hard drives, yet be able to put a 120 intake fan on there. Maybe one of QoH's fancy PC windows.... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ This one may be it...
https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ Sold out for now...maybe they'll restock.
Train, I'm curious about what you mean. If you'd care to share I'd be happy to see it. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
bistro
Specifications: Model: SX1240. Case Type: Full Tower. Case Dimensions: 8.1" (W) x 26.4" (H) x 18" (D), 205mm W x 670mm H x 475mm D (not including the feet). Drive Bays: 14. Front Accessible: 6 x 5.25", 2 x 3.5". Internal: 6 x 3.5". Expansion Slots: 7. Cooling System: 5x80mm/1x92mm. 3 Front (optional). 2 rear (standard). 1x92mm optional above power supply. 2 HDD bay (optional). Power Supply: 400 Watt SmartPower. Material: 1.0mm SECC. Motherboards: Fits standard ATX and Xeon.
About the only thing missing is the refrigerations unit, that I can see. A true hurricane city if there ever was one.
Wonder why, Does kind of catch the eye. QOH special would tie in nicely.
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Zaphod
JUst say that because of what I have found I went to a ASUS A7V mobo. LOVE IT!!! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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https://discussions.virtualdr.com/TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS!!!???
Ohhhh Bistro! Did you win the lottery ! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
That thing's a mile tall!
SO... have you decided what you want on that fancy Window?
Hell No! https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ https://discussions.virtualdr.com/ It retails for 169. (Better be made of gold if it costs over 250...).
Just thinkin' at this point...Would want a different mobo and have to get a diff modem also; so it's a ways off right now....
No decision on the Window right now...Kama Sutra is out... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Gonna sleep on it...Nite All...
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Morning All, I'm back. Unexpected death in family. Interesting posts while I was gone.
Train, Doing any computer stuff there?
Bistro, Liked those two links. Added them to list. Sent E mail to you and Train and QoH before leaving and according to what I got back, never got through to you.
Queen of Hearts, How's the "extended modding project" going?
Be Well.
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Other than getting some problems out and cleaning this computer. Not much. Will read email and stuff when I get home tomorrow night. Left my floppy at home, darn https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
bistro waits a couple weeks and the price may drop a hundred or so.
Have to clean up the area that I used to clean this computer. First time in 4 years. Why it had not overheated ??? Must be the question of the year. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 04-19-2001).]
Hi greengoose1. Hope all is well--sorry for the family news.
That link to Virtual Hideout isn't working--at least on my end. It's been down for two days now. Keep checking--the link is correct, just problems on their homefront. it's fun to just spend some time going through the whole gallery. Some pretty wild mods there. From what I gather, 80 to 90 percent of them are on full towers. More room for big windows. Bear in mind though: more bays=more devices=better get a mobo that supports more than 4 IDE devices (i.e 2x IDE, 2x ATA connections; will support 8 devices--or a mobo with 2 ATA connections).
Future plans:
Antec SX1240 tower case
Abit SA6R mobo--has 815e chipset--very stable for Pentium chips and has ATA/RAID.
OK....I know what ya'll are thinkin'...why then did I recommend the Abit BX133-RAID mobo to you when "we" were building? Because it was the best choice at the time, considering cost and versatility (can put up to 8 devices on it and overclockability among other things). No need to upgrade that mobo any time soon. It's a "keeper". If you choose to go to a full tower case in the future, you've already got the mobo that will support the extra devices. https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
My condolences also, greengoose.
Train, I know you gotta be missing "jr".
Bistro, when TA gets ready (soon...she's findin' the money... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net8/newangel.gif ) I'm thinking we ought to use the same Motherboard we used--ABIT BX 133 RAID. 'sides, I already RTFM... https://discussions.virtualdr.com/
Money....WHY does it always seem to be a question of money? I've just GOT to find a computer store that trades for beads and pelts....got plenty of those....
Thanks Guys, I'm thinking the same thing on the Abit BX 133 Raid , QoH. Why get rid of a winner?
Any body got a recent source for Win98 SE CD that I can install in the unit I am going to build?
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