My computers don't see each other

[kamyarn]

Hi....i have 2 computers and they are both connected with a hub... there are no physical problems. One of them is connected to the net. i wanna know what ip address i should give the other one with what gateway so the computers can ping each other..

thanks

[lazyboy]

You gotta talk to your ISP to get another IP if you wanna do it that way. However you could run Wingate or something and run both computers off the same IP. But first you need to get the computers talking to each other.

[kamyarn]

That's what my question is. if you want to assign a local ip address what would you give?
and what is the gateway

I am not talkin abou tthe internet yet

thanks

[caficho]

IP addresses for internal networks usually start at 192.168.0.1, x.x.x.2, x.x.x.3, and so on. The gateway is only needed on the computer that connects to the internet if you plan to use wingate, sygate, ICS, etc.

Since you have w2k, the best way to share an internet connection is ICS, it really works great. Just set both computers to use dynamic IP addresses and then on the one with the internet connection click the sharing tab and the select the "share this connection" box. That's all.

[kamyarn]

THanks for the reply... but should i give 192.168.0.x to both computers? or you said dynamic ip?
besides where is that sharing tab you were talking about?

[leviathan20]

I would suggest assigning both of your computers with a static IP address. Assign one with address 192.168.6.1 and the other with address 192.168.6.2. These are standard for personal networks.

Set the subnet to be 255.255.255.0, and you will not need a gateway at all. Reboot both machines after setting the addresses (if required, it isn't on Windows 2000), and you should then be able to ping successfully.

[kamyarn]

OK... the old computer has 192.168.0.1 and gateway is 192.168.0.2 and win2k computer has 192.168.0.2 and the ip i got from my cable internet provider and it is a static one... so how do i get the old computer online ...
p.s. they ping each other now...

tHankS

[caficho]

Do this on W2k:

Right-click on "My Network Places" on your desktop and select properties. You'll get the display of both your network connections.

Right-click again on the internet connection you want to share, once more select properties.

One of the tabs on top is labeled "Sharing", select that tab and select the "Share this internet connection" button.

Do this on your W98/95 computer:

Select WINS for DHCP and reboot.

Set your internet apps to connect directly to internet through LAN. Reboot.

Done....for a more detailed explanation go to:
www.timhiggins.com/

[kamyarn]

you know the problem i have is that when i go to routing and remote access, the internal network is not available. only ipx can recognize my other computer. That's what I am asking. And I don't have a sharing tab on the properties of my local area connction.

Thanks for the replies....................:-)

[caficho]

Did you at any time reinstall your NIC or change it's IRQ from the BIOS? I checked on around 25 W2k systems we have here and they all have the sharing tab on Local Area Connection. MS Knowledge Base says the tab is always there, so if you don't have it there may be something wrong with your installation...

Double check...

1.- In Device manager make a list of all your network adapters, dial-up adapters, etc...write them down, it'll make the next step easier.

2.- Go to Start->Run->and type in "regedit" and hit enter.

3.- Navigate to : HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network

4.- There should be a bunch of folders under there, a few with names like {4D36...} and one named "Connections"

5.- The first one should have one entry for each of your NICs/modem, etc and one named "descriptions" open each entry with a series of numbers and letters in between the {} and look at "Connection", there should only be one for each of your network connections.

6.- If there's more than one or if there are some there that you can't see from the normal "Network Properties" screen you've got a problem. You can try playing with your registry to fix this up but it doesn't always work.
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If there's no problem in there then I'm stumped, for if you have them both with static IPs and they are connected via the network cable and IPX works fine...I have no idea why TCP/IP wouldn't....

[kamyarn]

Thanks for your thorough reply...
but i kinda got lost in the registry part.
there are some folders named 4d36.. and there is connection..in connection i have default whose value is not defined and there is classmanagers.. what should i change in the registry to fix it...

(Here is how my ip addresses are:
win2k computer: one static ip and 192.168.0.1
98 computer: 192.168.0.3 and gateway is my static ip address... )

[caficho]

Ok..right above "Connections" the "{4D36...}" thingies should be expandable, and the first one should have more sections with weird descriptions surrounded by "{}". On my machine it looks like this :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network\
-{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
-{E48CD24E-14A3-427B-99DC-61493041E66E}
-Connection

Then there's another with a "Connection" sub-folder.

In the "connection" folder there's a String Value called "Name", once again in my machine, there's one that says "Local Area Connection" and another "Local Area Connection 2", that is, one (and only one) for each of my local area connections. The problem comes when you have more registry keys than connections. That means Win has leftovers from a previous network connection and failed to transport that to the new NIC drivers (sounded clearer in my head, hope I expressed it clearly).

If there is one for each of your connections, Ok...the problem's somewhere else.

But if you have "ghost" connections (i.e. they're in the registry but you can't see them from Network Properties) you can try erasing them at the third level folder and rebooting. It worked for me a few times, but I also had to reinstall W2k on one of the machines so I dunno....

What you have to do is erase them so that the "Network" folder remains with everything else in it except ANY network connections, ex:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network\{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}\{E48CD24E-14A3-427B-99DC-61493041E66E}

Here erase the "{E48CD24E-14A3-427B-99DC-61493041E66E}" part, leaving the "Network" folder and the first subfolder intact. Leave all of the others alone.

Lemme make sure...(sorry for the toilet paper post but don't wanna screw you up)

Under the "Network" folder, you should originally have four folders labeled "{4D36E9...}" and one labeled "Connections".

Of the four {4D36E9...} folders you want to erase the one which contains a "Descriptions" subfolder (there's only one), all other folders and subfolders should be left untouched.

Please be careful when doing this as you can really f%#$ up your system.

[kamyarn]

Yeah...
You know... Under the network folder I have 4 4D's and a connection and a Refnames... After I changed the ip of the other one I can see both computers from my network places.... The main of is 24.x.x.x and the other one is 24.x.x.(x-1)
now the computers can see each other....

Thankx again...

[rmatrixe]

Ok, heres what I did with Road runner in win2k to share it with another PC.
First off get rid of all protocols except TCP/IP in network folder
Then you get the two pc's communicating to each other via TCP/IP.
Use manual ip settings for both PC's
192.168.0.1 for pc connected to internet
then 192.168.0.2 for client PC
Host should have 2 network cards in machine
Share network card that is connected to internet, enter host IP (192.168.0.1) into gateway for the client pc, also add that IP to WINS and DNS and that should do it
if you still don't get it working goto www.cablemodeminfo.com.....they have info on sharing cable/dsl, and dial up

[Zecho]

Here's my solution

win2k as gateway with two nics.

(internet)
nic one has a dynamic ip address with sharing enabled

(LAN)
nic two set as 192.168.0.1.

network machines are named 192.168.0.x
the subnet is 255.255.255.0
and the GATEWAY is 192.168.0.1

Plus.. on the win98 machines I am running netbuie

[This message has been edited by Zecho (edited 06-13-2000).]