Networking problems!!

[pattigirl]

Hi,

I have finally given up on getting my 2 pc's networked!

What I want help on is, how do I completely lose my dialup networking, when I try to network 2 machines??

I can go into control panel, network, and not even change anything, and no longer can I get online?? I have to know what is wrong before i will try it again!

Today I seen cable networking was in my windows setup so i decided since I don't have cable I would remove it! Didn't even touch my dialup networking, but lost it until I restored the registry, put the cable networking back in trying to put everything back the way it was, but still had to restore resgistry, before I could get back online with my ISP?????

So many people have tried to help me with this, but not one so far can tell me how this happens??

Please could someone, a lot smarter than me explain this to me?

Thanks!!! http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif
pattigirl

[NEM1S1S]

ok, you have 2 pc's. you need:

2 Network Cards (one per machine)
either a Hub to connect them too, or a cross-over cable. Now, the next thing you will need to do to both machines is to configure the Network protocols.

Machine 1:
Right click Network Neighbourhood or go to Network Properties via Control Panel. Now you will need have:

TCP/IP installed
File and Print Sharing for Microsoft Networks

Next you will see something like

TCP/IP »» (your network card here)

double click this and give your machine an IP address (eg. 10.0.0.1 and a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0)

make sure the workgroup is the same on both machine.

Now repeat the above for the second machine except give it a different IP address (eg. 10.0.0.2)

also wait for about 20 seconds after your in Windows for the services to start.

let me know how it goes.

[pattigirl]

Thanks for reply!

If I set them up again, I won't be able to get on here to answer you! I only have 5 backups and I've already used 2 of them, I'm talking about restoring registry!

When I setup my 2 machines, I can't get online! I may have a conflict or something!

This is what I had setup before on my computers:

Dell #1
win98se
3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
ip 192.168.0.1
subnet 255.255.255.0
crossover cable
Client for microsoft network
NIC card
Dialup adapter
TCP/IP adapter
file & print sharing

HP win 98
3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
ip 192.168.0.2
subnet 255.255.255.0
Client for microsoft network
NIC card
Dialup adapter
TCP/IP adapter
file & print sharing

I got them both setup and could see them in network neighborhood.
But then I couldn't get online, the rest of the time I tried to put everything back, but still couldn't!!

Do you know how I changed my ISP settings by setting up this networking, like so??? I really am trying to figure this one out!!

Thanks, sorry if this is a bit long, but I am absolutely numb from trying to figure this out!

Thanks
pattigirl

[This message has been edited by pattigirl (edited 01-13-2001).]

[Flash420]

Originally posted by pattigirl:
Thanks for reply!

If I set them up again, I won't be able to get on here to answer you! I only have 5 backups and I've already used 2 of them, I'm talking about restoring registry!

When I setup my 2 machines, I can't get online! I may have a conflict or something!

This is what I had setup before on my computers:

Dell #1
win98se
3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
ip 192.168.0.1
subnet 255.255.255.0
crossover cable
Client for microsoft network
NIC card
Dialup adapter
TCP/IP adapter
file & print sharing

HP win 98
3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
ip 192.168.0.2
subnet 255.255.255.0
Client for microsoft network
NIC card
Dialup adapter
TCP/IP adapter
file & print sharing

I got them both setup and could see them in network neighborhood.
But then I couldn't get online, the rest of the time I tried to put everything back, but still couldn't!!

Do you know how I changed my ISP settings by setting up this networking, like so??? I really am trying to figure this one out!!

Thanks, sorry if this is a bit long, but I am absolutely numb from trying to figure this out!

Thanks
pattigirl

[This message has been edited by pattigirl (edited 01-13-2001).]

Welcome to VirtualDr pattigirl.

Anyway I think I know what the problem is, you're confusing Windows. This will work without losing your dialup. (Don't hold me on that, but I'm 99.9% sure you won't lose it)

0. Backup that registry.

0.1. Did you do step 0 yet?

1. Delete the TCP/IP >> Network Card but leave the one to the modem.

2. Goto TCP/IP for the modem and goto Bindings. Make sure the File and Print Sharing for MS Networks is UNchecked.

3. Now add the IPX/SPX Compatible Protocol.

4. Delete the IPX/SPX Compatible Protocol that has the Modem's name next to it.

5. Double click on the IPX/SPX Compatible and goto Advanced, change the frame type to Ethernet 802.3, then change the Network Address to 7. Check the box that says make this my default protocol, then goto the last tab and make sure NetBIOS is checked.

6. Do all of the above to the other computer. I'll wait . . .

7. Set up your shares, as I think you already know how to do. Reboot as needed.

8. Check if you can see and connect to each other.

9. Dialup to the Internet goto www.virtualdr.com (http://www.virtualdr.com) and say thank you for your help everyone.

10. Backup that registry.

11. Visit http://www.pchelpguy.com .

12. Ok 11 was a shameless plug but oh well.

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CCNA
www.pchelpguy.com (http://www.pchelpguy.com)

[pattigirl]

Well I'm back and tried everything suggested and no matter what settings I use, I can't get online unless I restore registry????

Is there anyone that can help me? It seems there is a major problem and I cannot access internet if I have anything hooked up on my networking??

I got this error message after I changed the settings Tom told me too:
exception OE has occurred at 0028:C1558B83 in VXD Vip(01) 00003743
This was called from 0028:C146859A in VXD VTD1(01)+000000BA

I have tried everything I know of to setup my networking, I'm afraid its useless!

Please if someone could give me anything I can check that would be great!!
pattigirl

[danpal]

You may be having a conflict with TCP/IP.
Go to control panel - network - configure - add - microsoft - protocol - Netboui on both machines - reboot. The shared dialup uses TCP/IP, and the were some problems.

I've seen this.

[pattigirl]

Thanks for reply, I added netbeui on both computers and its still the same!

Could it be my ISP, causing this? I sent them a email asking what could cause this, no reply so far!

Several people have tried to help me, I'm afraid it is something badddddd wrong!!

Thanks again!
pattigirl

[Stu L]

Make sure you have Internet Connection Sharing installed on only the computer with the modem you will be using. (The one with Win 98 SE) It must not be installed on the other computer.

On the ICS computer in Network Properties you should have:

NIC properties,
ICS bound to NIC
IPS/SPX bound to NIC
TCP/IP bound to NIC

Dial up adapter (modem),
ICS bound to modem
TCP/IP bound to modem

Protocols,
ICS protocol to NIC
ICS protocol to modem
ICS protocol to ICS
IPX/SPX to NIC
IPX/SPX to ICS
TCP/IP (home) to NIC
TCP/IP (shared) to modem
TCP/IP to ICS

Your TCP/IP (home) settings on the ICS computer should be
192.168.0.1
and subnet mask
255.255.255.0
You have these correct.

Your TCP/IP (shared) settings on the ICS computer should be set to Automatic.

Your TCP/IP (ICS) settings on the ICS computer should be set to Automatic.

The TCP/IP (home) (shared) and (ICS) should ALL be set to automatic on the other computer.

In Control Panel, Internet Options, on the connections tab on the ICS computer you should have "Always dial my default connection" checked. On the other computer you should have "Never dial a connection" checked.

You can back up your Registy by running ERU.EXE (Emergency Recovery Utility). You can restore it by running ERD in DOS. ERU.EXE should be on your Windows CD.

I hope this helps.
Stu L

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Stu L

[pattigirl]

Thank you for replying!

Shouldn't I be able to connect to my ISP by just having file and print sharing? Because I can't! Anytime I turn on networking I lose my connection!

Right now all I want to do is be able to get online and share my printer and files!

I contacted my ISP and they told me don't don't give free support! I told them I didn't need free support, I can set it up myself, all I want is to be able to connect!!

Does anyone have any ideal why I cannot connect just using file and printer sharing? I am so frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to thank all of you for the help! I was on the phone for an hour to putergeek and he said it is either my ISP, or I need to format!! I sure don't want to format!!

Thanks again!!!
pattigirl

[pattigirl]

Ok I got my DNS numbers,where do I put them?


Thanks
pattigirl

[This message has been edited by pattigirl (edited 01-20-2001).]

[Stu L]

You cannot connect to your ISP by just having file and print sharing. You have to have Internet Connection Sharing and TCP/IP bound to your dialup adapter and to your network cards to do that. In fact, you do NOT want to have your file and print sharing bound to you dialup adapter for security reasons.

My suggestion is to get the 3Com HomeConnect kit, which comes with a 10/100 hub, two 10/100 NICs, two 25 foot CAT 5 cables, Windows 98SE upgrade for Windows 98 and HomeClick Network Center. HomeClick Network Center does everything for you. It sets up print sharing and all the network protocols you need. It even fixes the network if you "break" it. That's what I have. After you run HomeClick on each computer, you can remove it completely and it leaves all the network settings intact. Why wrack your brain when you don't have to? Maybe HomeClick is available separately, I don't know. It's a Microsoft product.

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Stu L

[pattigirl]

Thank you for reply, I really appreciate all your help!!

I think I have spent enough money on this networking thing. I could get different cards and then if I couldn't connect, I would go screaming over the hill!! http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif

After I got my network setup again, I installed sygate and in order for it to work you have to be able to connect to the internet and of course I couldn't! It passed on everything except internet connection and I could't go any farther with it since no connection.

I didn't know I couldn't connect to my ISP with just file and print sharing? What about people that all they want is file and print sharing, can they not connect to the internet?

I have done a lot of reading, I'm not just expecting other people to do it for me, but I guess this just wasn't meant to be!!

I apologize for taking up your time, and
again I sincerely thank you for all your help!!

I may try setting up the ICS in the future, right now I'm just tired!!

pattigirl

[Black Widow000]

Patti sounds like your having problems.

Hope you haven't given up yet.

The key I think here is really to work it step by step.

1) Delete all the protocals, services, and adapters (in that order) from your system

2) Shut down. and uninstall your NIC card

3) Reboot. Reinstall your dial-up adapter
and Add TCP/IP protcol with the following
settings:
Obtain IP address automaticly
Disable Wins
Specify no Gateway
and Disable DNS

So your network at this poing would consist as follows:
Client for Microsoft Networks
Dial-up Adapter
TCP/IP

3) Reboot and add your ISP's dialup
connection and make sure it works and you
can connect and surf

4) Shutdown and reinstall your NIC
at this stage trying the local network out
by using only Netbeui this might
require you to delete the TCP/IP for
this adapter. Add file and Print Sharing
and create shares. in addition disable
file & print sharing for the dialup
adapter select the dialup adpaters
TCP/IP protocol and under bindings
uncheck file and print sharing

your network componets should now look
something like this:

Client for Microsoft networks
3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
Dialup Adapter
NetBEUI -> 3com 10/100 NIC 3c509c-TX
TCP/IP -> Dialup Adapter
File and print sharing

5) Reboot check and make sure your Dial-up
works, that your computers are seeing
each other. and move on from there
doing it step by step, so A its eaiser to
follow, be if the problem does arise again
you know exactly where and when, which
will help you or us determine why and how.


Hope this is of some help, I can provide more details if needed but for now let me cut this long winded post short.


«§-ßlack Widow-§»

[pattigirl]

Thank you so much, right now my dell is down, I'm on my HP, I ran out of scanreg restores and now I can't connect to my ISP and I don't know what to do??

How am I going to get my dell going again?

I wish I had never heard of networking!!

I really appreciate your advice and I will follow it!

Thank you!!!!
pattigirl

[Black Widow000]

Patti first a helpfull tip for next time, you can make a backup of the reg your self, by typing Regedit from Start->Run

then under the registry file menu, choose export, make sure the range is set for ALL
then simple save as desired to restore,
restart in DOS mode and type regedit /c backup.reg
and you can restore the same backup as many times as needed

as far as restoring your dialup connection my pervious post upto step 3 is my best suggestion

Hope this helps

«§-ßlack Widow-§»

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[pattigirl]

Black widow,
I took the card out and installed the settings as you said to do and I still cannot connect to my ISP. I get the little tv sets, but can't surf or get in my outlook express, I keep getting, cannot find server clas.net??
I didn't have to reinstall my dialup connection, could that be the problem, when I shut down, it was still in there, I went through my setup anyway, but no good!
I hope you have some answers for me??
Thank you so much!
patti

[pattigirl]

Hello again!

Hey thanks for reminding about backing up the registry! I do that pretty often, but I didn't know how to restore it from the backup. It didn't work using the setting you gave me, kept getting parameter incorrect.

I changed my file to .reg and double clicked on it and got it to restore a previous setting.
However I still don't know what is wrong!
I did notice 3 things that changed when I got my settings back.
1-my isp dialup box popped up when I restored the registry. I have 2 one for my dell I guess and 1 for my ISP.
2-the settings under TCP/IP adapter was set on DHCP instead of disabled, but I tried them both ways when I followed your directions.
3-I uninstalled my Norton antivirus, before I restored my registry. I notice a while back my NAV kept trying to get into my POP3 box of my ISP, it was the autoprotect.

Now I know it isn't my NIC card, but I wish I could find out what it is, because I'm afraid to try it again!! http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif
Thanks again for all your help, everyone that replied!!
pattigirl

[Black Widow000]

ok first I really recommend deleteling ALL of the protocals and adapters, for networking, with all the configuration changes windows could be holding onto faulty configurations, second you should have only 1 dialup adapter (assuming you have only 1 modem) third what ISP are you using? you said they don't offer tech support, but surely they have to at least tell you what the setting are to connect. So we're going to concentrate on getting your internet back right now, so for that recommend calling your ISP and getting the needed settings, 2 after you dialup, run winipcfg from start -> run select your dialup adapter (most likely listed as PPP) and hit the more info button check to make sure you have:

1) a IP address
2) DNS server addresses
3) a Default Gateway

and for one final check hit release. all the
numbers should disapper, and then hit renew and they should all come back. if all of that works fine then go into a dos window and try to and type:
C:\windows\>ping www.yale.edu (http://www.yale.edu)

this will hopefully give you something like this:

Pinging elsinore.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.21] with 32 b

Reply from 130.132.143.21: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=242
Reply from 130.132.143.21: bytes=32 time=46ms TTL=242
Reply from 130.132.143.21: bytes=32 time=48ms TTL=242
Reply from 130.132.143.21: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=242

Ping statistics for 130.132.143.21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 46ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 52ms

Ne ways try this and post back your results, one thing to note is this is really dependant on exactly how your ISP works, and expects you to connect, they really are the best ones to inform you of where the problem is.


«§-ßlack Widow-§»

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[pattigirl]

I've got to be gone for a couple of days, so I will have to try this later!

I've got to take my husband to hospital about 200miles from my home.

I talked to my ISP and he gave me the DNS numbers to use, what he said was they don't do free network support. So I can pay them to help me, but not too sure they know all that much about it! They are a very small ISP, near my home in Missouri, its called Clas.net.

I only have one modem, in each machine. It is a dialup 56k modem. I asked the ISP why I have 2 dialup connections and he said that is the way they do it, sooooo who could I argue with?? http://discussions.virtualdr.com/biggrin.gif

I just got a email from a guy that said if I use crossover cable it won't connect to the internet, is this true? What I'm using is cat5 crossover cable. A tech guy told me to get this kind?



I will be in contact with you in a couple of days!
Again thank you so much!!
patti

[Flash420]

I know this is a completely different approach but, if you'd like I could do it for you. Just e-mail me and I can explain it. pchelpguy@pchelpguy.com And no I won't charge you.

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Tom Faulkner
CCNA
www.pchelpguy.com (http://www.pchelpguy.com)

[Black Widow000]

Ok Patti, we'll all be here when your ready. But as far as your ISP providing networking? support? the only thing you need them to do is get your internet connection working, we can get you through the rest, but especially with small ISPs the settings and configurations are very important.If you got your DNS address's plug them in. go to control panel -> Network -> Config Tab -> TCP/IP -> DNS config then enable DNS and add the server address and see if that works, if your still having probs, post the info from winipcfg as specified in my last post.

«§-ßlack Widow-§»

[pattigirl]

Ok I'm back!

I put my DNS number where you told me too. I got online and went to winipefg and when I tried to release the numbers it wouldn't do anything.

Ok under my ppp in winipefg, my DNS is XXX.XXX.XX.X it has netbios resolution uses DNS a check beside it, should I put all the information in here or not?
I will send private message or email!
Thanks for help!
pattigirl

[This message has been edited by pattigirl (edited 02-02-2001).]

[pattigirl]

Ok when I pinged www.yale.edu, (http://www.yale.edu,) everyone of them timed out, 100% loss???

I don't think my computer is going to network anything. Sometimes it just doesn't work and this is one of those times!!

Thanks again for all your help!

pattigirl

[This message has been edited by pattigirl (edited 02-02-2001).]

[rktech]

Try this site for networking problem solving. It helped me a lot to get up and running. www.practicallynetworked.com (http://www.practicallynetworked.com)
Don't let the puter beat you, it only does what you tell it to!

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