My computer locks up when i give it alot to do

[DingA]

Im running win 98 se, if im converting files that take a while to do, the temp of my chip goes upto 42 and then my computer locks up completly. I say this as it has got a little worst lately and the ambient temps around here have gone up a bit. Im using a athlon 800 on a via m/board. Any help is appreciated

[Daizy]

Hi DingA:
I know absolutely nothing about temperatures..... just that I have extra fans in my case.
Are you running too much at one time? When you do a ctrl/alt/del..... what do you have running in the background? Have you cleared out excessive programs from running at start up.... through msconfig? How much Ram do you have?

See? More questions than help....but this will bump you up to the top til someone that has better knowledge than I, comes along.

Hope this helps
Daizy

[MiseryQ]

It sounds like you know your problem... Heat... I started having the same problem tonight, I had to lower the voltage anf the speed of my overclocked Athlon... You have less choices... Get a bigger heatsink and fan for the CPU... Get another case fan if possible... OR just take the side off your case for extra airflow... Oh yeah, take the heatsink off your CPU and add some heatsink grease, I'm not sure if it wears out, but everytime I overheat and do this it drops my temps about 20F...

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[DingA]

Thanx for the replies, i have binned all the programs runinng in the background, even turn anti virus off. im using 128 mb ram and my chip is not overclocked, and i have a massive heatsink fan called a superorb. will try grease and a new fan on my case as there doesnt seem to be one.

[DingA]

Hi again, i have dropped my temps by about 7 deg and still it locks up. I have doubled my ram today to 256 mb. I have installed cpuidle and the chip had another 33% to go before it was maxed out. I'm using a via mobo with a amd 800 chip. thanx in advance

[jtdoom]

hi

in BIOS, the alert level for CPU temp may be set too low?
http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon/pdf/23986.pdf

for technical specifications (max allowable temp and such) http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon/techdocs/index.html#manuals

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[PCSolutions]

I would not assume this to be a heat issue. my first inclination is that a background application is causing the problem. Seen that one more times than I care to count

Do a ctrl-alt-del & count the number of items in the programs list. How many are there?

My guess is software. Seen it too many times where people load up 15-25 programs then they wonder why the system locks up.
Go figure!


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[DingA]

Thanx for the replies guys, in the background i have poproxy, cpuidle, Norton anti-virus (disabled normally), systray, rnaapp, and winoldap. I have reformatted lately and still getting the same symptons

[MiseryQ]

What motherboard do you have? Is it a Kt133 chipset?

While not exactly your problem the Kt133 chips have a problem locking up while coping files...

Norton AV or Norton Utilities?
What's winoldap? haven't used 98 in awhile http://discussions.virtualdr.com/biggrin.gif...

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[Train]

winoldap (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q140/5/67.asp) can be the problem.

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[DingA]

yes it is a kt133 chipset, i supose it is coping files as it's reading to and from the hd, i was using norton anti-virus. Im not sure what winoldap is but from what i read from that link the plus pack for win 95 got rid of that snag so i should hope win 98 se is sorted.

[ironwalker]

Hows your memory situation???
how much do you have?
via 4-1 drivers,do you have version 4.32?
Does your hardrive make lots of noises when working?
To use up all RAM before useing any virtual memory,
open system.ini
find the + for [386enh]
add a new line "ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1" no quotes.

[DingA]

i have 256 mb of ram pc 133, my hed doesnt make any noise at all. Will install the new 4 -1 drivers and se how i get on, thanx again for the replies

[DingA]

Nope still completly locking up, where do i go from here ? any advice, still its not going to beat me http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif

[Train]

Error Message: WINOLDAP Caused GP Fault in Module USER.EXE (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q140/5/67.asp)
Still think this is it.

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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 07-01-2001).]

[DingA]

cheers for reply train, I have been turning things of in the background and seeing if it makes any difference, the last couple of times it has locked up winoldapp wasnt running, Is it time to take it to a shop ??

[Train]

Sorry, busy.
No, don't think it is quite time for that.

My video card overheats and locks up now and then, but not everyday. Just a point.
How many fans do you have in the case? What temp does the computer work in? Room temp.
Also, what video card do you have.


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[DingA]

Thankyou again for your reply, i appreciate you are busy and the advice i get from here is free and dont expect a reply every time i post http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif I'm using a ge-Force 2 mx with the latest detonator driver 12.41 i think, my system runs at 31 Oc and my processor runs upto 42 Oc when converting files for long periods. I have bought a fan for my card as it didnt come with one. I have one fan at the bottom back, and a bigger one at the bottom front. I dont know if its anything to do with this but my computer dores take about 2 secs when pressing ' Windows explorer ' to come up, do you think it might be my Hd not responding quick enough ? Just a thought.

[ironwalker]

it is a possibility that the hard drive isnt responding fast enough or properly.
im not going to give advice on this until you give me more info on your hard drive(type,size,and make).
i have sisoft sandra 2001 and it tells me my hd info, tests it,and gives results with advice.
i dont think your system will do the test without locking up so i wouldnt advise downloading it just yet.
i will do more research on basic hd tips tweaks and maintanance,and errors.
dont quit

[Train]

That rear case fan should be up and as close to the ps as possible.
Your temps are fine for the cpu. Mine are 5C higher.
Now, does your program/BIOS give the voltages? I found that I had a little to much voltage going to the video card, and got the hack and underclocked it 10MHZ and it stopped my problem. And a fan on the card will help there as My video locked up when the heatsink reached 110 F. I used a probe on it.

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[DingA]

My Hd is a maxator 19.6 Gb, and my voltages are Vcore 1.87v, VDD 3.57, 3.3V Value 3.43v, 5V Value 5.25V, 12V Value 11.95 V

[Train]

DingA

1.75 Vcore is what you want or if it will boot with 1.65V run it as 1.85 is the max Vcore voltage. highly suggest turning it down for stability.
If you have acrobat reader (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html) it is free,Read this (http://www.amd.com/products/cpg/athlon/techdocs/pdf/23792.pdf)

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[This message has been edited by Train (edited 07-03-2001).]

[DingA]

I managed to drop it down to 1.85v, but cannot see how to get it any lower than that, but i spose that is within the limits. Will try to convert a file and see if it does it again, thanx for the link

[Train]

List you mobo. I will find and read the Manual for it.
1.85V is running it to hot

you need to get it down to 1.75V at least.

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[DingA]

My mobo is a Jetway with a via KT133 chipset, my temps are fine if chip temp of 42 Oc at max is ok. The mobo model no. is 663aspro. On Sisoft is says on the tuneup wizard that ' system monitor device implementation is know to vary ' dunno if this is anything, also when i had a program to messure my clock speed, the reading was going from 801 - 809 mhz.
Once again thanx

[Train]

Irritating when a mobo manufactor does not have a online manual.

You will need to read your manual to find out how to adjust the voltages manually.

my temps are fine if chip temp of 42 Oc at max is ok. If this is the max you are seeing.
I could live with it I guess. But, cannot say I like it. Get the air moving. And it should do fine.
Hope I have been of help to you.

A thread on overheating. (http://discussions.virtualdr.com/Forum17/HTML/003192.html)

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[smurfy]

Train, as this is more hardware than software I'm leaving you to it but there is a manual for the mobo here:
http://www.jetway.com.tw/evisn/product/amd/663aspro/663aspro.htm

I won't move the post as we're all used to seeing it here now http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif


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[DingA]

Well i have gone throught the manual, and have dropped the voltage down by -0.025, it doesnt give you the option to go any lower. and flashing my bios is giving me constant errors. Im off to read the thread on which mobo to get for a amd and then purchase a new mobo. Thankyou everybody who has offerd help. I have learnt a lot http://discussions.virtualdr.com/smile.gif cheers guys

[DingA]

I know this thread is a little old but just sorted the problem with flashing my bios out. After flashing my bios i could drop the voltage down by 0.1 v, my computer is now running fine. Now to go look at the overclocking site. Thanx guys

[smurfy]

Hey, thanks for coming back to us.

Glad it finally worked out for you (and that you managed to flash the BIOS without toasting your board) http://discussions.virtualdr.com/biggrin.gif

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